# Johm Kerry: Evil sez Drudge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2004, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249 "2004-08-04T04:55:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/1 "2004-08-04T04:55:30Z")
Might as well get this right out there in the Pit. Coulda tacked it on the other thread, I guess, but this probably deserves its own. [http://www.drudgereport.com/ufd.htm](http://www.drudgereport.com/ufd.htm) > [@](#): > > Two of John Kerry’s three Purple Heart decorations resulted from self-inflicted wounds, not suffered under enemy fire. > > All three of Kerry’s Purple Hearts were for minor injuries, not requiring a single hour of hospitalization. > > A “fanny wound” was the highlight of Kerry’s much touted “no man left behind” Bronze Star. > > Kerry turned the tragic death of a father and small child in a Vietnamese fishing boat into an act of “heroism” by filing a false report on the incident. > > Kerry entered an abandoned Vietnamese village and slaughtered the domestic animals owned by the civilians and burned down their homes with his Zippo lighter. > > Kerry’s reckless behavior convinced his colleagues that he had to go – becoming the only Swift Boat veteran to serve only four months. Supposedly, this is all part of a book to be released this month by by the same outfit of anti-Kerry veterans who’ve been shrieking for attention these last several months, but were ignored by the liberal tedia. Or were judged to be too full of shit to bother with, YMMV. They are organized as the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth [http://www.swiftvets.com/](http://www.swiftvets.com/) “…Meet the real John Kerry – as self-obsessed and ruthlessly calculating as Slick Willie…” National Review Book Service, [http://www.nrbookservice.com/BookPage.asp?prod\_cd=c6527](http://www.nrbookservice.com/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=c6527) Just for starters: I note this NewsMax article [http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/4/132751.shtml](http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/5/4/132751.shtml) with the following: > [@](#): > > … Hibbard went on to explain that his only information was that Kerry himself had perhaps fired an M-79 grenade at the shore and got “scratched” from his own friendly fire… Is this the foundation of the “self-inflicted wound” charge made above? And doesn’t that carry an entirely different connotation? As so many of us lately are deeply vexed over issues of “truth” and “documentary” as compared to “lies” and “propaganda”, this seems an opportune time to discuss this, while the arguments are still fresh in our minds. I especially invite the participation of **SimonX** , our premier Google-grubber. I haven’t even scratched the surface for cites on this shitstorm, so its a target rich environment. (I would, but I’m lazy and easily…look! Shiny!..) ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/2 "2004-08-04T05:02:24Z")
Does Vomit have two t’s or two m’s? I forget. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/3 "2004-08-04T05:37:56Z")
These guys don’t seem to have the support of any of the men who actually served under Kerry’s command. And they don’t provide anything but speculation about his Purple Hearts. Their biggest grudge remains his anti-war activities after his return. Their use of the term “peaceniks” is a little worn out after forty years, but still a dead giveaway about the chip on their shoulders. Sounds like sour grapes to me, but they certainly have the right to publish their opinions. I wish they would remember that while they were “fighting for freedom,” one of those freedoms was the right of each of us, John Kerry included, to give his opinion. I am grateful for those who service remained noble. I am skeptical that these particular authors have done much reading at this site which documents the bombardment of civilian targets in Vietnam, including hospitals, schools, medical establishments, dams and villages – long before the end of the war: The International War Crimes Tribunal, Sweden and Denmark, 1967 [http://www.911review.org/Wget/www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/littleton/v1tribun.htm](http://www.911review.org/Wget/www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/littleton/v1tribun.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/4 "2004-08-04T05:40:19Z")
“who service”? (very red-faced) ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/5 "2004-08-04T05:52:02Z")
Meh. Kerry’s 'Nam exploits, positive or negative, don’t mean a thing, in my opinion. If these allegations are true, hell, that would probably finish his hopes for the Office. I love the word “If”. So full of hope, so full of potential, so many possible outcomes it can describe. It’s as if someone took Quantum Physics and jammed it into English Grammar. So… ::shrug:: More Petty Politics. What’d you expect? ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/6 "2004-08-04T06:01:45Z")
So will the Pentagon open up a review of Kerry records? Of course, the blame will quickly start it would be partisan politics. But Rumsfeld can take the fall, we would know once and for all about those medals. Or will that trigger a call to review Bush’s miltary records just to be fair? ---
**Author:** ![Gamaliel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b487fb/32.png) [@Gamaliel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gamaliel)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/7 "2004-08-04T06:10:48Z")
If Kerry had known that his run for president would have prompted a sudden concern for the lives of the Vietnamese among the right wing, he would have run in the 70s. These SBVT cocksuckers are some of the very same people who gave Kerry positive evaluations and submitted the paperwork for those medals, including the man who wrote up Kerry’s Silver Star and the son of the man who approved it and pinned it on him. Everyone who actually was in the boat with him supports his candidacy. Fuck. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/8 "2004-08-04T06:12:03Z")
> [@Duckster](#): > > Or will that trigger a call to review Bush’s miltary records just to be fair? Bush was in the military? I thought he was just in the Guard. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/9 "2004-08-04T06:13:56Z")
> [@Duckster](#): > > Or will that trigger a call to review Bush’s miltary records just to be fair? What records? Er, I mean, all records have been released! Um, except for those which were…lost! Lost, I tell you! ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/10 "2004-08-04T06:17:32Z")
These don’t at all match the reviews of Kerry in his fitops(?) that some military blogger conducted. Even though he didn’t like Kerry, he determined that Kerry’s fitops portrayed him as an exceptional officer even after the reports had been adjusted for the inflation he claimed that these reports often have. If I remeber, I’ll try to look around for the review. I’m not that concerned about Kerry. Sadly (and maybe, in the future, regrettably) I just don’t give much of a fuck who Kerry is. But as a favor to El Ucidato, I’ll see what’s out there. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/11 "2004-08-04T06:19:25Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Bush was in the military? I thought he was just in the Guard. 😉 That’s uncalled for bullshit. Who the fuck do you think is walking the streets in Iraq, Afghanistan and Kissinger only knows where else hoping to come home alive, preferrably in one piece? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/12 "2004-08-04T06:22:00Z")
> [@SimonX](#): > > …But as a favor to El Ucidato, I’ll see what’s out there. When I was with Che (long story…don’t ask) I was known as “El Guapo”. Amongst my tribe, I am called “Dances with Vulvas”. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/13 "2004-08-04T06:23:11Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Bush was in the military? I thought he was just in the Guard. 😉 When he felt like it you mean. 😉 These are the same guys, right, who when you bring up the guard, or Enron, or anything about Bush, start screaming about why you hate the President so? Hypocritical shits, all of them. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/14 "2004-08-04T06:27:04Z")
> [@SimonX](#): > > That’s uncalled for bullshit. > > Who the fuck do you think is walking the streets in Iraq, Afghanistan and Kissinger only knows where else hoping to come home alive, preferrably in one piece? IT SURE AS HELL WAS! And who the fuck do you think was fighting in Vietnam in the 60’s? John Kerry was, and there is no reason to put up with this crap from a bunch of lying weasels who’s sell their mothers to Saddam’s sons if’d it get Bush elected this year. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/15 "2004-08-04T06:53:36Z")
> [@Gamaliel](#): > > …Everyone who actually was in the boat with him supports his candidacy. … That is my impression as well, but I don’t recall exactly why. Gotta cite? That would be pretty hefty evidence, if true. Found this, relevent to the innuendo that Kerry “requested” to be transferred out of Viet Nam, using his three Purple Hearts as the justification. [http://www.campaigndesk.org/archives/000451.asp](http://www.campaigndesk.org/archives/000451.asp) > [@](#): > > …The policy in question, the impenetrably-named BUPERS Instruction 1300.39, is no longer in place. During Vietnam, it mandated that any soldier “wounded three times, regardless of the nature of the wound or treatment required” should be “reassigned as having completed a full Vietnam tour with the hospital release date considered the tour completion date. They will not be ordered to Vietnam …” > > (snip) > > …An additional, virtually unreported section of the Navy code, notes that any soldier wishing to “waive reassignment under the purview of this Instruction must forward a written request to that effect to the Chief of Naval personnel (Pers-B) for final determination.”… The same source quotes the AP (link broken) “…After the third Purple Heart, the Navy was required to reassign Kerry out of Vietnam, and a document dated March 17, 1969, said Kerry requested duty as a personal aide in Boston, New York or the Washington area. Kerry could have volunteered to stay in Vietnam, but left the country in early April 1969…” Well, today…final polish on Canto 23 (not enough post-modernist irony), hunted grizzly bear with baseball bat, Heartbreak motor oil, Bombay gin, a spot of wenching, and out-Googled **SimonX**. A full day, by any measure. And so to bed. ---
**Author:** ![Gamaliel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b487fb/32.png) [@Gamaliel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gamaliel)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/16 "2004-08-04T07:15:11Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That is my impression as well, but I don’t recall exactly why. Gotta cite? That would be pretty hefty evidence, if true. Dug up the DNC convention schedule at [http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040729/dcth027\_1.html](http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040729/dcth027_1.html) > [@](#): > > ``` > 9:00 pm Performance by Carole King > > Andre Heinz > > Vanessa Kerry > > Alexandra Kerry > > John Kerry Biographical Film > > John Kerry's Vietnam Swiftboat Crewmates > Jim Rassmann of Florence, Oregon will speak > The Reverend David Alston, Columbia, South Carolina > Skip Barker, Selma, Alabama > Steve Hatch, Niagra Falls, New York > Jim McDevitt, Wrenthem, Massachusetts > Mike Medeiros, San Leandros, California > Pat Runyon, Eaton, Ohio > Wade Sanders, San Diego, California > Del Sandusky, Dunedin, Florida > Fred Short, North Little Rock, Arkansas > Gene Thorson, Ames, Iowa > Jim Wasser, St. Anne, Illinois > Drew Whitlow, Huntsville, Arkansas > Bill Zaladonis, Sanford, Florida > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/17 "2004-08-04T07:22:37Z")
Yeah, I saw them too. Question remains is that _all_ of Kerry’s crewmates? Since he wasn’t on the boat all that long, there couldn’t be that many more. Now, reading the Swift Boat guys, one gathers the _impression_ that at least _some_ of Kerry’s crewmates disagreed, but I don’t recall them actually naming any names. (Thought it was funny…somebody asked one of them what they called Kerry “behind his back”. Said they called him “Sir”…) I mean, if we’re going to go to all the trouble to kill this bullshit, might as well drive a stake through its heart as well, no? ---
**Author:** ![cmason32](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@cmason32](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmason32)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/18 "2004-08-04T07:40:05Z")
FYI: The guy who is behind the Swift Boats website is the same one who smeared McCain in South Carolina. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/19 "2004-08-04T08:02:03Z")
[Swift Boat Veterans for Truth at Disinfopedia](http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth) > [@](#): > > a tax exempt non-partisan public advocacy 527 committee/organization ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/20 "2004-08-04T12:42:18Z")
> **[John Kerry Swift Boats](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/swift-justice/)** > > Quotes from Swift boat veterans about John Kerry. Got a mirror-thread up in GD, where this link is posted to the estimable Snopes. Lot of quotes from anti-Kerry veterans, of whom only one, a fellow named Steve Gardner, is listed as actually being a ship-mate of John Kerry. So, rough count of shipmate opinions: 14 yea, 1 nay. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249.md?page=2)