# Johm Kerry: Evil sez Drudge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2004, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249 "2004-08-04T04:55:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/61 "2004-08-05T00:03:20Z")
[http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/26/131905.shtml](http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/4/26/131905.shtml) I suspect you are talking about this? From the much esteemed NewsMax, the very “gold standard” of reliable and unflinchingly non-partisan reporting? > [@](#): > > …Kerry served on boat No. 94 alongside another boat, No. 66. “PCFs 94 and 66 escorted troops up the Ong Doc River early in the morning when they were ambushed by gun and rocket fire from approximately 40 men on both sides of the river. Two B-40 rounds hit close to Kerry’s boat, while PCF 66 received 2 B-40 rocket hits. Three men on PCF66 were wounded. A junk containing South Vietnamese troops was also sunk, killing 11 South Vietnamese troops. Intelligence reports after the mission indicated that the Viet Cong troops may have planned the ambush in advance.” > > However, Peck said that he was the skipper of the 94 boat then, and that Kerry was definitely not even on board… Of course, I’m not sure this is what you mean, in your haste to defend the honor of our nation from Mr. Kerry, you neglected to offer a cite. All right, then, what have we here? Peck says one thing, Kerry says another, in this report dated May of this year. Are the records not available to clear up this matter? A tragic microfiche accident, perhaps? Forgive my suspicion, but it is this: if records existed that cast Kerry in as unfavorable a light as this report suggests, I have no doubt, none whatsoever, that such records would find their way into friendly hands, and Mr. Pecks allegations would be proven. And yet, here we are, and they have not, but the accusation and its attendent insinuations, are still with us. Doesn’t that strike you as rather odd? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/62 "2004-08-05T00:03:27Z")
> [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > Further, after 30 years, doesn’t the mixed endorsement of the crew of PCF 66\* raise at least one of your eyebrows? Some of these men, be they detractors or supporters, might have served under him in Vietnam for all of four months. After what equates to one rainy winter on a fortified speedboat, how well can any of them really know him? Six men, together on a small boat for four months? I’d say they got to know one another pretty damned well at the time. How well they know the John Kerry of 2004, who knows? But back then, I’m sure they knew him about as well as anyone can. ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/63 "2004-08-05T00:05:56Z")
> [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > Every time he crookedly salutes and every time he trots out “his men,” he is using that war to score political points. Umm… well since this is a presidential election, I would hope that something like this _does_ score him “political points”. What, are we supposed to just ask “So what kind of leadership experience does this candidate have?” and not expect a Viet Nam vet to go into detail of how he _led_?! Give me a break. > [@](#): > > And to do so is to fill his coffers with the blood of our fallen. I just can’t support a man like that. Not to make this an awkward situation or anything, but… I hope you’re planning on voting for a third party candidate (if possible) or just not at all then. Because these two sentences could be said - verbatim - about GW and the fallen of 9/11 as well. As for the bitter accusations against John Kerry from these “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth”, they really just sound like a bunch of “Why is he getting all this attention? We want some too.” I could give a rat’s fat, furry, diseased little ass about _where_ Kerry was shot, or how he was injured. He was injured **3 times** during the war. The end. If you don’t like that he received 3 Purple Hearts for his injuries, then I’m afraid you have some issues you need to deal with. LilShieste ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/64 "2004-08-05T00:09:26Z")
OK, the crew of PCF 66 _wouldn’t_ have gotten to know John Kerry that closely, because Kerry was on a different boat. So, El Cid, what’s your story? Were you under the impression that Kerry served on PCF 66? Or were you misleading us? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/65 "2004-08-05T00:23:49Z")
> [@El Cid Viscoso](#): > > But what is relevant is that Mr Kerry wears his Vietnam military service on his sleeve. Every time he crookedly salutes and every time he trots out “his men,” he is using that war to score political points. Well, _what do you fucking expect??_ The GOP did its level best to drag Clinton through the mud over his non-service in Vietnam when he was running against WWII vets Bush Sr. and Dole. Clinton won, but the war thing cost him, no question. So this time, our guy went to war, the Republican candidate did his level best to stay away from combat (and seems to have been pretty damned casual about his reserve duty too), and _we by God want full credit for that, this time._ We’re fuckin’ tired of all this changing of the standards, depending on who they’ve got, and who we’ve got, in each new election. And doubly so for their slander of Max Cleland’s patriotism in 2002. On account of that, neither Saxby Chambliss, nor Karl Rove, who undoubtedly masterminded the attack, nor the worthless twerp in the White House who no doubt thought it was great, deserve to live. What, should he have lost his remaining arm, too? Would that have been sufficient proof of his valor? So yeah, we’re gonna rub John Kerry’s honorable service under fire in their faces, _every damned chance we get._ And that’s the way it goes, from now until Election Day. Since none of the GOP slanders have stuck at all, except the flipflop bit to some modest extent, they’ll try the patriotism bit again and again. But Kerry will already be there, with his comrades-in-arms, waiting for them, holding the high ground. Because that’s the only way the GOP Slime Crew can be beaten, is by being continuously ready. If they disarm, maybe we will too. But we’re damned sure not doing it first. ---
**Author:** ![MrManfrengenfrensen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MrManfrengenfrensen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrManfrengenfrensen)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/66 "2004-08-05T00:26:58Z")
Here’s a cite from [about.com](http://about.com) > **[History of the Army National Guard](https://www.thebalancecareers.com/history-of-the-army-national-guard-3353242)** > > As the oldest of the armed forces, the Army National Guard predates the founding of the nation and a standing military by almost a century and a half. > [@](#): > > The 1960’s began with a partial mobilization of the National Guard as part of the U.S. response to the Soviet Union’s building of the Berlin Wall. Although none left the United States, nearly 45,000 Army Guardsmen spent a year in Active Federal Service. > > As the decade progressed, President Lyndon Johnson made the fateful political decision not to mobilize the Reserves to fight the Vietnam War, but to rely on the draft instead. But when the bombshell of the Viet Cong Tet Offensive struck in 1968, 34 Army National Guard units found themselves alerted for active duty, eight of which served in South Vietnam. So, it appears that prior to Tet, the National Guard was a reliable way to avoid Vietnam service. Post Tet, 8 units went over. How does this compare with the overall troop strength in Vietnam at the time? I don’t know what a unit consists of. ---
**Author:** ![Lennon\_Lives](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f04885/32.png) [@Lennon\_Lives](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lennon_Lives)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/67 "2004-08-05T00:45:39Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Lots of them WERE draft dodgers, GWB included. If you really don’t know that the Guard was an escape from the war then you simply don’t know what the fuck you’re frucking talking about. Ask your dad. He’ll tell you. > > Bush was given preferential treatment and bumped up the waiting list to get into the Texas ANG despite a shitty test score. He was assigned to a division which was reputedly called the “Champagne Division” as it was especially set aside for rich boys and connected kids. There was NO CHANCE that Bush could have gone to the shit. That’s why he wanted into the Guard and that’s why he was assigned to the division he was assigned to. > > You sound like an ass when you keep trying to tell people _who were there and who fucking REMEMBER_ that the NG was not a golden ticket out of the shit. That’s exactly what it was. It was FULL of draft dodgers and I really don’t give a fuck if you’re offended by that. The facts are the fucking facts. > > BTW, there’s not a damn thing wrong with being a draft dodger. I don’t have a problem with Bush avoiding the war. I would have done the same thing. What I have a problem with is his contempt for the duty he was given and his disingenuous posturing as a military leader now. Hell DtC, I was in the NG from 1965 to 1971 for ONE purpose to avoid Viet Nam! In my company of ~250 guy I would guess 200 were there to avoid Viet Nam and won’t afraid to admit it. Today I’m not proud of the fact that I got out of serving my county but at 18 and looking at going to Viet Nam that was the route I chose, I will have to live with that decision. This issue comes down to Bush made a decision that he knew would keep him out of harm’s way, Kerry made a decision that he know would put himself in harm’s way. Period. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/68 "2004-08-05T00:58:38Z")
> [@](#): > > _by RTFirefly_ > > Six men, together on a small boat for four months? While you’ve been Googling the interesting history of PCF 66, have you been able to run across **which** six men served under Lt(jg) Kerry for four months? Or are you gonna make me _burro_ for it? 😃 . > [@](#): > > _by LilShieste_ > > …these two sentences could be said - verbatim - about GW and the fallen of 9/11 as well. My opinion is based on principle. I would be a weak, waffling man to say what I’ve said and then vote for President Bush. > [@](#): > > I hope you’re planning on voting for a third party candidate (if possible) or just not at all then. Well, I’m not accustomed to discussing my voting preference, but here goes. It’s a given that my beautiful, bountiful, irreplaceable, adoptive state will definitely be red this November. Couple that idea with a widespread distrust for electronic voting, and we have a growing movement that plans to vote somewhat unconventionally: Make it a write-in ballot and vote “no confidence”. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/69 "2004-08-05T01:20:38Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Six men, together on a small boat for four months? I’d say they got to know one another pretty damned well at the time. How well they know the John Kerry of 2004, who knows? But back then, I’m sure they knew him about as well as anyone can. I assumed that was sarcasm ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/70 "2004-08-05T02:09:10Z")
> [@](#): > > This issue comes down to Bush made a decision that he knew would keep him out of harm’s way, Kerry made a decision that he know would put himself in harm’s way. Period. I hate to go down this path, because I do not like to disparage anyone’s military service, and it looks to me like Kerry served honorably and well. But the idea that Bush knew he’d be out of harm’s way and Kerry knew he would be in harm’s way is just not supported by fact. First, Kerry volunteered for the NAVY. Just like the National Guard, the Navy got more than its share of volunteers because volunteering for the Navy generally kept you out of harm’s way, whereas waiting to get drafted meant you could be an infantryman sleeping in the mud while the enemy shoots at you. Second, at the time George Bush volunteered for TANG, the very unit he volunteered for was participating in operation “Palace Alert” (or Palace Watch) in Vietnam. Third, no one knew at the time what the Guard would wind up doing. In the end, it turned out that the Guard largely stayed out of the war, but it didn’t have to be that way. In fact, there was much debate over the Guard’s role, and Bush could easily have been called up. Fourth, after Bush got his wings he volunteered for Vietnam. He was turned down. Fifth, flying F-102 fighters, even outside of combat, was hella dangerous. Bush was at more risk of being killed doing that than he was of being killed as a draftee sent to Vietnam. In fact, two of Bush’s squadron mates were killed in flying accidents. From [this cite](http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1989/KJJ.htm), 27 F-102’s were lost to accidents in the first 90,000 hours of flight, for a loss rate of one aircraft for every 3,333 flight hours. These are accidental, mind you - not combat losses. The average guard pilot probably racks up around 2,000 hours before getting out. That’s pretty big risk (losing an airframe in a jet fighter usually means losing the pilot, because the vast majority of operational accidents are during takeoff and landing, and a botched landing that destroys the airframs is usually not survivable). Notice also that the F-102 early on was about six times more dangerous than the F-15, three times more dangerous than the F-16, and three times more dangerous than the A-10. Those old Century-series fighters were all a real handful to fly, and everyone knew they were dangerous beasts. So Bush had anywhere from a 1 in 10 chance of being killed during his guard tour to maybe one in three. Now let’s look at the stats for Navy service. The Navy suffered 1,628 combat deaths during Vietnam out of about 47,000 total hostile deaths - the lowest total for any branch of the service. Since that was over a space of ten years, that’s about 1,600 casualties per year, out of a total of several hundred thousand active Navy personnel. And most of those casualties came later. Also, my guess is that most of the casualties came from SEALS, Medical Corpsmen, naval aviators, seabees, and (later) coastal and river patrol. The fact is, if you had to join the military, being on a ship in the Navy was about the safest place you could be. At the time Kerrey enlisted, going into the Navy certainly did NOT mean that you were itching for combat. Now, I’m not saying that Kerry was intentionally trying to avoid combat. And the fact that he volunteered for Swift Boat duty shows that he was not averse to risk. The point is that guessing the motivations of either of these men is more of an exercise in projecting your own biases than anything rooted in fact. In fact, having been a young man myself who tried to enlist in the military (eyes were too bad), my guess is that neither man was aware of the relative risks, although both probably knew that their choice of service was likely to keep them out of the mud and gunfire. I think Bush went in to aviation because his Dad was a pilot and being a fighter pilot is cool. Kerry probably went into the Navy because John Kennedy, his hero (so he claims) was a Navy man and Kerry loved boats (still does). Both good, honorable reasons for joining the military. Kerry may even have volunteered for Swift Boats because they were the closest thing to Kennedy’s PT-109 (again, nothing wrong with that). My point is that the assumption that one joined the Guard because he was a coward and the other joined the Navy because he was rarin’ for combat is nothing more than speculation, unsupported by any facts. By objective measure, at the time they both joined Bush was heading into a riskier job than Kerry. But avoiding being shot at is not the only reason young men wanted to avoid the draft. Young men think they’re invulnerable. For many, the motivation was to avoid having to march all day with a pack on your back and sleep in the muck while being shot at. Both the Guard and the Navy were a good way to avoid that fate. And of course, it’s entirely possible that Kerry’s blood was boiling with the true stuff of heroes, and he wanted nothing more than to command an attack boat against the enemy. Just like it’s entirely possible that George Bush wanted to learn to be a pilot so he could go to Vietnam and experience combat like daddy did. Absent clairvoyance, making sweeping judgements about the internal motivations of two 18 year old men 40 years ago is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/71 "2004-08-05T02:18:38Z")
While researching that last message, I came across [url=http://swiftboats.net/]Just the link you are looking for. This isn’t precise, because the dates of service listed are not exact (some just say "68-69’, but it looks like Kerry’s contemporaries on PCF-66 were: ```auto William B. Hoole Jr, LT, OinC 4/68-4/69 Glenn K. Anderson, EN2 68-69 Stanley G. Simonson, GMG3 68-69 Virgil H. Chambers, RD3 vhchambers@midohio.net 4/68-10/68 Donald Christopher Brown Jr, RDSN d.64@insightbb.com 4/68-4/69 Gale Roger Kitchen Jr, GMGSN 68-69 John H. Davis, GMGSN john.davis@nortrax.com John Forbes Kerry, LTJG, OinC 10/68-4/69 Michael Richard Eugene Medeiros, QM2 ??-5/69 Thomas M. Belodeau, RDSN ??-4/69 deceased 11/10/97 Charles R. Gibson, LTJG, OinC 69 Fred Burns, BM2 69 Mel Baker, RD3 69 Paul "Muggsy" Montgomery, RD3 69 Donald Paul Bilodeau, RDSA 69 Frederick Alan Short, GMG3 f_short@yahoo.com 2/69 ``` Probably not all of those served with him. And it’s interesting that there was another OinC (Officer in Charge) at the same time as Kerry. I’m not sure why. There’s even some E-mail addresses if you want to ask them questions! ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/72 "2004-08-05T02:45:23Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I _didn’t_ do was go through his military record with a fine toothed comb trying find ways to discredit his service. I don’t remember anyone else on the left doing that either. Bob Dole? He stood in FRONT of that descending shell, just so he could ship his ass back to Kansas early! ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/73 "2004-08-05T03:05:13Z")
A chapter from the book is now online (I haven’t read it) Link: [Unfit for Service Links](http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html) There’s also a video of a TV ad that is on there. They make some really, really harsh charges in that video. They’d damned well better have evidence to back them up, or I hope Kerry or his lawyers go after them. I guess we’ll have to see what they can come up with in terms of documentation. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/74 "2004-08-05T03:25:09Z")
Now thats very odd. On page one, we have a list of Kerrys crewmates as they appeared on stage at the DemConv. And then we have a list on page two, crewmates, we are given to understand, who solidly oppose Mr. Kerry. And no name on page one matches a name on page two. None. Not one. Decidedly odd. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/75 "2004-08-05T03:44:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Now thats very odd. On page one, we have a list of Kerrys crewmates as they appeared on stage at the DemConv. And then we have a list on page two, crewmates, we are given to understand, who solidly oppose Mr. Kerry. > > And no name on page one matches a name on page two. None. Not one. > > Decidedly odd. IIRC, he served on more than one ship. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/76 "2004-08-05T03:48:24Z")
What, he served on one ship, and everybody likes him, and his evil twin served on the other? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/77 "2004-08-05T03:56:00Z")
Did you try matching the names against that link I screwed up a few messages ago? [Swiftboats.net](http://swiftboats.net/) looks to have a pretty straightforward and comprehensive history of the Swift Boats, including lists of who served on them and when. The cite only shows Kerry serving on PCF 66. However, at the bottom of the page (which I didn’t see before) is a long list of people who the author couldn’t place on specific boats, which would suggest that the list may not be conclusive. Still, it appears to be a pretty good reference. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/78 "2004-08-05T03:59:01Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > A chapter from the book is now online (I haven’t read it) > > Link: [Unfit for Service Links](http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html) > > There’s also a video of a TV ad that is on there. They make some really, really harsh charges in that video. They’d damned well better have evidence to back them up, or I hope Kerry or his lawyers go after them. > > I guess we’ll have to see what they can come up with in terms of documentation. Saw the ad and concur at least as far as the tone. That is one _vicious_ mofo of a political ad! But if you give it a second or third listening, it dawns on you that there are actually only a couple of _falsifiable_ charges, wherein something might be proven. The greater bulk of the accusations made in the ad are matters of opinion. For instance, a mention is made of Kerry’s being awarded the Bronze Star, and the action that led to it. The voice-over says “it didn’t happen that way”. Which seems to say that Kerry’s a lying scumback who’s grubbing a medal he doesn’t deserve. Except, of course, we have the testimony of the very same man he rescued! If Kerry sues, then all the respondent would need do is produce a witness willing to suggest that anything Kerry said in his report, however minor the detail, was at variance with his own recollection. And that’s it, nothing can be proven. Kerry wouldn’t win, _couldn’t_ win, and could only focus attention on this subject. All in all, a very skillful excercise in political character assassination. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/79 "2004-08-05T03:59:36Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > If you didn’t vote for these honorable war heroes over the draft dodger, but make lots of noise about it now, you’re a hypocrite. maybe if Id ever disparaged the service of the hero but not questioning the service of t he dodger but since I didnt, may I offer you the possability of fucking yourself? ---
**Author:** ![cmason32](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@cmason32](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmason32)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/80 "2004-08-05T04:03:29Z")
One thing that will be interesting is to see how Hagel and McCain respond to these attacks against Kerry. When Cleland was smeared with those commercials both men insisted that unless the ads were pulled immediately, they would make commercials endorsing Cleland and refuting the attacks. I wonder, then, if the attacks against Kerry’s service become too harsh for their tastes if they will break ranks and publicly defend Kerry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249.md?page=5)