# Johm Kerry: Evil sez Drudge **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2004, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249 "2004-08-04T04:55:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/141 "2004-08-06T22:44:13Z")
John Kerry won both a Bronze and a Silver Star, **kaylasdad99**. [This web page](http://www.vietnamwar.com/JohnKerrySilverStar.htm) will give you information about the Silver Star itself and Kerry’s war record, including information on how he won each medal. It was in fact the Silver Star that was awarded to Kerry for the incident that’s being slimed, although how far this shit will travel, given the chief flinger’s admission that he signed an affidavit knowing it was false, remains to be seen. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/142 "2004-08-06T22:50:09Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > A bit of clarification, please. > > It’s my understanding that Senator Kerry’s award was a _Bronze_ Star, not a _Silver_ Star. I’m unsure of how these awards rank in the pantheon of military decorations, but I do know they’re not the same. It bothers me that the organizations that are doing the sloppy reporting on this basic fact tend to be the ones that are in support of John Kerry. > > Still, I may have the whole thing bass-ackwards, myself. Was Kerry awarded an Bronze, or a Silver Star. Both. He won the Bronze Star for pulling that dude out of the water while under heavy fire. He won the Silver for beaching his boat and chasing down and whacking a VC who had fired a rocket launcher at him and his crew. Both incidents are being slimed by these animals, but for some reason everybody who actually _witnessed_ these incidents backs up Kerry. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/143 "2004-08-06T23:04:13Z")
Those fuckers at HumanEvents haven’t sent me my sample chapter, but they sure as hell have sent me some spam Assholes. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/144 "2004-08-06T23:05:54Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Both incidents are being slimed by these animals, but for some reason everybody who actually _witnessed_ these incidents backs up Kerry. It’s Hans Blix all over again. "Don’t listen to the people who were thre! Listen to our right-wing spinmeisters instead! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/145 "2004-08-06T23:09:29Z")
Ah. Mucho thanks to both **ETF** and **DtC**. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/146 "2004-08-06T23:12:42Z")
> [@Gangster Octopus](#): > > **elucidator** > Who is Edwards? Or did you mean Elliot in the third to last paragraph? How can you trust a guy who can’t even keep his own name straight? …yeah…Elliott… ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/147 "2004-08-06T23:14:27Z")
Seems we have some more background on the author of the anti-Kerry book: [http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010](http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010) i.e., a Free Republic regular > [@](#): > > CORSI: Too bad the plane didn’t crash into the TV set of the NBC show “THE LEFT WING” – especially when Martin Sheen was “acting.” > [@](#): > > CORSI: But the real question is: WHERE IS CHUBBIE CHELSEA? Is she in Kabul in danger, looking for a Starbucks? Waldo wants to know. Please, Little Katie Communist, HELP US FIND CHELSEA. THE SITUATION MAY BE URGENT. (11/29/2001) > [@](#): > > CORSI: After he married TerRAHsa, didn’t John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? He also has paternal gradparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry? (03/04/2004) > [@](#): > > CORSI: Isn’t the Democratic Party the official SODOMIZER PROTECTION ASSOCIATION of AMERICA – oh, I forgot, it was just an accident that Clintoon’s first act in office was to promote “gays in the military.” RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters – it all goes together. (11/18/2001) > > CORSI: Think the liberal press will ever let out that these 2 were lovers – typical Islamic boy-buggering – older man, younger man – black Muslims? I doubt it. Not a pretty picture, but one certain to be hidden by PC media. (11/08/2002) > [@](#): > > CORSI: Maybe while he’s there he can tell the UN what he’s going to do about the sexual crimes committed by “priests” in his “Church” during his tenure. Or, maybe that’s the connection – boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn’t reported by the liberal press. (03/03/2003) > > CORSI: So this is what the last days of the Catholic Church are going to look like. Buggering boys undermines the moral base and the laywers rip the gold off the Vatican altars. We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that’s probably about it. (12/16/2002) Sounds like a charming fellow. I’m sure his book is the height of academic clarity and honesty. These people are evil, evil fucks. And ex-Nixon dirty trixster, a crazy racist, anti-Catholic Freeper, and some of the the top names in Republican finance. Sounds like a winning team. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/148 "2004-08-06T23:20:39Z")
> **[Swift boat flip-flopper #2](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2004/8/6/42528/-)** > > (From the diaries -- kos) > > In the Kerry attack ad, this swiftie says:Adds retired Adm. Roy Hoffman: "John Kerry has not been honest," before another veteran, Adrian Lonsdale, finishes the thought... Another case. Here is what Adrian Lonsdale said about Kerry in 1996: > [@](#): > > “As far as I was concerned, the war was won over there in that part for that period. And it was mainly won because of the bravado and the courage of the young officers that ran the boats, the SWIFT boats and the Coast Guard cutters and **Senator Kerry was no exception. He was among the finest of those** ,” he said in 1996. In 2004, suddenly Kerry " lacks the capacity to lead." ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/149 "2004-08-06T23:26:34Z")
**Apos** : Jesus Joseph and Murray, are you _shitting_ me? Are you _sure_ this is the same guy? Because I want to be really, _really_ sure before I rub the nose of…a certain male relative…in this, 'cause I will, yellow snow style! Kudos for internet nugget ferreting, by the way… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/150 "2004-08-06T23:28:47Z")
Hmmm. I dont mean the Lonsdale thing, Ii]think\* I’ve heard that already. But if these quotes from this Corsi guy are the genuine article…Katie bar the door! ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/151 "2004-08-06T23:38:49Z")
More: Hoffmann has denied that [his organization was politically motivated], saying his group **had no links to the Republican Party or the Bush campaign.** Except that as has now been well documented, it’s almost entirely bankrolled by major Republican establishment figures as well as managed by professional Republican strategist Merrie Spaeth, director of media relations for Reagan and widow of Harold Lezar, a coordinated campaign candidate during GW’s run for Texas governor (the idea that she had no contact or relation with him or his campaign people during at least that time, as she claims, is beyond preposterous). At the very least, these are some pretty solid links with the Republican Party, even if they wink winked agreed not to coordinate their efforts with each other. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/152 "2004-08-06T23:45:29Z")
Well, that’s a wash, [MoveOn.org](http://MoveOn.org) isn’t “connected” to Kerry, either. And Dopers of a morbid turn of mind might consider following the link offered by **Apos** to read a more fulsome array of Mr. Corsi’s…opinions. Its been a long time since I’ve seen the epithet “communist” as though it were roughly equivalent to “goat felcher”. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/153 "2004-08-07T00:25:24Z")
If anyone wants the sample chapter so they can read it for themselves. Send me an E-mail at [dan@happyfunpundit.com](mailto:dan@happyfunpundit.com) and I’ll send it to you. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/154 "2004-08-07T00:28:18Z")
Sam, do you also have any literature on how all the ragheads are queer boy rapists that you could share with the group while you’re at it? Or anything on the subject of dangerous Jew influences on Presidential candidates? I’d certainly like to be able to browse through your growing library of literary lumanists. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/155 "2004-08-07T00:40:23Z")
That was underhanded, and I apologize. You’re just trying to inform people that want to know the content of the charges. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/156 "2004-08-07T00:57:32Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Honestly, I didn’t even notice that. It’s a fair point, so maybe the odds against bush were more like 1 in 20 or 1 in 30. That still makes it one of the more dangerous ways to spend your time in the military. Yeah, but really, so what? A lot of people engage in activities that are clearly dangerous when looked at statistically. But most of 'em never look at the statistics. I mean, people who smoke are putting their lives at more risk than people who don’t smoke. That doesn’t make them braver than non-smokers. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/157 "2004-08-07T01:29:32Z")
Jesus, **Apos**. What the hell was that about? Seizure? Were you temporarily possessed by demons? Enquiring minds want to know! As you said, I was just offering the only evidence we had. I offer it without comment or judgement. I’m still making my mind up on this. I have some theories about some of it - theories which do not discredit John Kerry. But I’m keeping an open mind. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/158 "2004-08-07T14:15:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > This story is hopping all over the place. > > First, we get the _Boston Globe_ > [http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/06/veteran\_retracts\_criticism\_of\_kerry/](http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/08/06/veteran_retracts_criticism_of_kerry/) > > saying that a principal member of the Swifty Boys has retracted a principal claim, that is, that Kerry was unworthy of combat recognition recieved. > Then, the esteemed and impartial (snicker) _Human Events_ comes out with a counter-story. > > [http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit\_aff.html](http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_aff.html) [The Globe today replies that Elliott’s retraction of his retraction is bogus.](http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2004/08/07/veteran_claims_misquote_on_kerry_globe_stands_by_its_story/) > [@](#): > > Elliott released another affidavit yesterday backing away from his comments this week to the Globe, saying the reporter, Michael Kranish, misquoted him. > > Globe Editor Martin Baron released a statement saying “the Globe stands by the article. The quotes attributed to Mr. Elliott were on the record and absolutely accurate.” > > In 1996, when Kerry was running for Senate reelection and faced questions about the circumstances in which he shot the Viet Cong fighter, Elliott came to Boston and defended Kerry, saying he deserved the Silver Star. > > In yesterday’s new affidavit, Elliott said, “had I known the facts I would not have recommended Kerry for the Silver Star simply for pursuing and dispatching a single wounded Viet Cong.” He added, “I do not claim to have any personal knowledge as to how Kerry shot the wounded, fleeing Viet Cong.” All the while, **Sam** , you’re “keeping an open mind” about anything which might discredit Kerry, even if it’s something only Drudge has said and which has been refuted already. You have to do a helluva little better than that to even begin to be taken seriously, ya know. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/159 "2004-08-07T14:49:06Z")
> [@Apos](#): > > Sam, do you also have any literature on how all the ragheads are queer boy rapists that you could share with the group while you’re at it? Or anything on the subject of dangerous Jew influences on Presidential candidates? I’d certainly like to be able to browse through your growing library of literary lumanists. I happen to have some if you’re really interested. I’m glad that you thought enough to apologize. Good for you. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2004, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249/160 "2004-08-07T18:35:04Z")
If this post is stale like Manischewitz, I apologize. Work’s been pretty hairy over the last two days. Before I get started, I’d like say that out of respect for elucidator and his damnably amiable reply, I’ve been redacting like Karl Rove at a Carlyle potluck. I just have a few off-topic things to add, and then I’ll get down to it. … As much as I try to shrug it off, kaylasdad is right on the money: the dissembling really gets me down. Happily, though, bad behavior makes this medium nothing like dowsing. Here, you hit rock and you move on. 🙂 > [@](#): > > _by RTFirefly_ > > Well, I gotta say that’s an interesting analysis, in no way rebuttable since it’s totally about personal perception. Thanks, man, that means a lot. After what I’ve said about The Hallowed 90s, any number of people would’ve crammed a thumb in my eye just on principle. 😃 Your contemplative _obiter dictum_ is going in my hat for a while. … > [@](#): > > ''I still don’t think he shot the guy in the back," Elliott said. ''It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I’m the one in trouble here." I don’t have a problem with Commander Elliot’s regrets. The affidavit is harsh, and makes unverified allegations that Lieutenant Kerry shot a wounded kid in the back. I don’t blame Commander Elliott for trying to retract statements that cannot be proven. Similarly, I don’t blame him for hastily signing the affidavit. A normal human reaction to being duped is to lash out. In 1996, almost three decades after the incident, Commander Elliott publicly defended Mr Kerry’s Silver Star. Suddenly, there is new information, facts in evidence that are so compelling that they would make a decorated, senior Naval officer retract the words of support he’d so freely offered during Kerry’s Senate campaign. What evidence did the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth give to Commander Elliott? What did he see or read that would make him cry _BOGUS!_ on Mr Kerry’s Silver Star? One thing is certain, this story is loaded to the gunwales with animus. But after all the smoke clears, and after the reckless acrimony is explained away, the bottom line is that Mr Kerry’s Commanding Officer still asserts “had I known the facts I would not have recommended Kerry for the Silver Star.” The other item that’s been bugging me since Friday’s breakfast is something I heard Mr Kerry say on Morning Edition. In a nutshell, he claimed that a close friend of Mr Bush is responsible for the “unfit for duty” ads. This is clearly untrue, and for the last day I’ve been shaking my head about it. It’s the dissembling, you see, that really gets me down… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johm-kerry-evil-sez-drudge/258249.md?page=9)