# John Boehner vows to repeal Obamacare. Will he and the repubs succeed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602 "2012-06-28T17:11:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/21 "2012-06-28T19:42:55Z")
Aren’t there appropriation issues that the Republicans can–and doubtless will–block to prevent the bill from being fully implemented? I will save other comments for different forums. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/22 "2012-06-28T20:52:36Z")
> [@Iggy](#): > > Give it a max of one hour per Senator. The filibuster doesn’t work that way anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kearsen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/23 "2012-06-28T21:19:12Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Whose opinion would you take as the spokesman for the hive-mind of progressivism? If you find another progressive stating the opposite opinion in another thread, will you call him out as a hypocrite for going against the one unified progressive opinion? Is this what passes for honest debate here? If you want to call **Bricker** out, call him out (in the proper thread) but you posting here, as you did, is threadshitting. Take it elsewhere ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/24 "2012-06-28T21:24:42Z")
They have Junior Mod badges in Cracker Jacks now? ---
**Author:** ![whole\_bean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@whole\_bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whole_bean)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/25 "2012-06-28T23:22:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > They have Junior Mod badges in Cracker Jacks now? You heard the man. Move along! ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/26 "2012-06-29T03:37:27Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I don’t know what the best thinking is, but I would probably make it require 60 votes overcome the filibuster for two weeks. Then 55 votes for another two weeks. Then 51 for another two weeks. Then it drops away. > > I’m not sure how it would work, and I want the minority to have time to make its case, but obviously we can no longer trust decency to limit overuse. I’d just make them go back to the old days when the filibustering Senator had to hold the floor continuously, even if it meant reading from the phone book verbatim and getting a catheter inserted. No more “two-track system” either; once a filibuster is in process the Senate can do _nothing_ else. For good measure I’d also require all broadcast networks (or at least affilates in the Senator’s home state) to prempt their regular programing to broadcast live from the Senate, and not allow any other Senators in the chamber to leave while it’s in progress (even for food, potty breaks, or medical emegencies) without their votes be void. > [@Marley23](#): > > The House will vote on this in early July. It’ll pass the House again and fail in the Senate again. They can do it every week if they want to- it’s an empty gesture. Would the Senate even need to let it come to a vote? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/27 "2012-06-29T11:23:17Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What’s the current best progressive thinking on the filibuster? Should it stay? Go? What? The fate of the filibuster will never be resolved on the basis of progressive or conservative principles. It will be determined by cold, hard political calculus, and I don’t see either party giving it up any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/28 "2012-06-29T13:27:38Z")
Take a look at [Boehner’s expression](http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/obamacare_ruling_best_pic_of_the_entire_day) and you tell me. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/29 "2012-06-29T14:13:06Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Would the Senate even need to let it come to a vote? I don’t think they’d be _required_ to vote on it, but there’s no way it would pass in any event. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/30 "2012-06-29T14:28:46Z")
> [@Kearsen](#): > > Is this what passes for honest debate here? If you want to call **Bricker** out, call him out (in the proper thread) but you posting here, as you did, is threadshitting. > > Take it elsewhere > [@elucidator](#): > > They have Junior Mod badges in Cracker Jacks now? Stick to commenting on the content of the posts and don’t junior moderate, please. And yes, accusing someone of junior modding is arguably junior modding in itself. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/31 "2012-06-29T14:45:29Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I’d just make them go back to the old days when the filibustering Senator had to hold the floor continuously, even if it meant reading from the phone book verbatim and getting a catheter inserted. That’s never been the case, at least going back to before the Civil War. By “old days”, you really mean “something I saw in a movie or on TV that one time”. Strom Thurmond and the catheter? That was a publicity stunt. At no point in the 20th century was such a tactic necessary to maintain a filibuster, Capra movies notwithstanding. And you have to admit it worked. Even if it wasn’t actually necessary, we’re still talking about it 50 years later. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/32 "2012-06-29T16:29:25Z")
I heard that same filibuster story (continuous reading and a catheter) while visiting the Texas State Capitol building in Austin about a year ago form the tour guide. [SenateKids](http://www.senate.state.tx.us/kids/glossary.htm#Filibuster) I suspect conservatives will not have the power to repeal the ACA outright any time soon, so will try to pick off parts of it a bit at a time. By the time they have the power to actually eliminate the whole thing, the programs will be fairly well entrenched and by then, folks won’t want to give up their ability to cover kids or have no co-pay, etc.,. so the conservatives will not be able to eliminate the program parts then due to public popularity. ---
**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/33 "2012-06-29T16:53:50Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > I heard that same filibuster story (continuous reading and a catheter) while visiting the Texas State Capitol building in Austin about a year ago form the tour guide. [SenateKids](http://www.senate.state.tx.us/kids/glossary.htm#Filibuster) > > I suspect conservatives will not have the power to repeal the ACA outright any time soon, so will try to pick off parts of it a bit at a time. By the time they have the power to actually eliminate the whole thing, the programs will be fairly well entrenched and by then, folks won’t want to give up their ability to cover kids or have no co-pay, etc.,. so the conservatives will not be able to eliminate the program parts then due to public popularity. But don’t the polls show that when asked about individual parts of the act the only thing the public doesn’t like is the penalty? (Which means that people are upset that the government is coercing them to buy something they want to buy.) ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2012, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/34 "2012-07-04T00:32:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What’s the current best progressive thinking on the filibuster? Should it stay? Go? What? I think it should be kept for Democrats only and repealed for Republicans. Its obvious that Dems wouldn’t abuse its use. Now simply the threatened use of it by the Reps makes every bill a de facto 60 vote issue. For all the crying the right wing likes to do whenever Dems use it, there are 10 instances of much more egregious uses of it by the Reps. And don’t try to turn this into some other argument about the Dems needed to grow a spine and actually call the Reps bluff, its irrelevant. The point is that its being overused and it should stop ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602/35 "2012-07-04T00:39:51Z")
> [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](#): > > Take a look at [Boehner’s expression](http://www.dangerousminds.net/comments/obamacare_ruling_best_pic_of_the_entire_day) and you tell me. The term “shit a brick” comes to mind…😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-boehner-vows-to-repeal-obamacare-will-he-and-the-repubs-succeed/626602.md?page=1)