# John Carter (of Mars) Teaser Trailer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 14, 2011, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057 "2011-07-14T21:23:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SeamusMcCool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@SeamusMcCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeamusMcCool)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/41 "2011-07-19T18:29:22Z")
Some perspective here from my dad who is a baby boomer. He loved these books, **as a kid** , and devoured them, but they were what they were, cheesy kids books. Adjust your expectations accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/42 "2011-07-19T19:10:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > They managed to give Ariel a clamshell bra, and that under the Disney label. Aren’t they doing this under one of their more adult labels? Nope, the trailer’s “branding” shows the Disneyland castle. ---
**Author:** ![SeamusMcCool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@SeamusMcCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeamusMcCool)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/43 "2011-07-19T19:42:37Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Nope, the trailer’s “branding” shows the Disneyland castle. As well it should, because it comes from a children’s source, not adult. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/44 "2011-07-19T20:00:03Z")
> [@SeamusMcCool](#): > > As well it should, because it comes from a children’s source, not adult. :dubious: I don’t believe it was a “children’s” souce. ---
**Author:** ![SeamusMcCool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@SeamusMcCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeamusMcCool)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/45 "2011-07-19T20:38:07Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > :dubious: > > I don’t believe it was a “children’s” souce. The books were originally written for young boys. Maybe not children, as in 4-6 year olds, and more in the 9-14 year old bracket, but for (older) children nonetheless. I think Disney has it right, but I’m not so sure people are going to be happy as they appear to have different expectations. Then there are those who are thinking it’s going to be some kind of steam punk type of movie. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/46 "2011-07-19T21:29:42Z")
> [@SeamusMcCool](#): > > As well it should, because it comes from a children’s source, not adult. Handwave it however you like. The original books had the original Martians strutting around in nothing but leather harnesses. Deal. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/47 "2011-07-19T21:36:55Z")
I so want this to be a great movie and I’d been greatly enthused by the concept art I’d seen for this. The trailer however I found flat and uninspiring. Now I’m worried. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/48 "2011-07-19T21:59:09Z")
> [@SeamusMcCool](#): > > The books were originally written for young boys. Maybe not children, as in 4-6 year olds, and more in the 9-14 year old bracket, but for (older) children nonetheless. I’ve always thought of them as[pulp fiction](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Princess_of_Mars), of the same genre as Robert E. Howard. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/49 "2011-07-19T22:04:22Z")
Exactly. They were never YA novels, nor will they ever be YA novels. They are and ever shall be pulp without end. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/50 "2011-07-19T22:18:25Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > I have faith in Andrew Stanton. > > But the trailer is awful. If at the end if it they’d shown the title card for the Conan the Barbarian remake I wouldn’t have had reason to disagree. What, like there’s some **difference?!** ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/51 "2011-07-19T22:31:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > What, like there’s some **difference?!** Aside from the fact that Conan could kick John Carter’s ass, not much. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/52 "2011-07-19T22:37:36Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Aside from the fact that Conan could kick John Carter’s ass, not much. Doubtful. See post #32. Carter is a **god.** Possibly Mars Himself. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/53 "2011-07-19T22:42:59Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Doubtful. See post #32. Carter is a **god.** Possibly Mars Himself. Carter is a Civil War veteran. Conan would have the same “light gravity” advantages on Mars. And I’ve never seen Carter kick Elder god ass. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/54 "2011-07-19T22:56:13Z")
> [@](#): > > And I’ve never seen Carter kick Elder god ass. Second book in the series, or maybe third. _The Gods of Mars_. And he’s a Civil War veteran who’s been “about thirty” for centuries, is a master of both telepathy and blocking telepathy, and has excelled and been undefeated in every form of combat he’s ever attempted, which is pretty much all of them. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/55 "2011-07-19T23:08:38Z")
Conan would be toast in about 3 minutes. As noted, Carter is quite possibly the living incarnation of Mars. You don’t mess with something like that. ---
**Author:** ![SeamusMcCool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@SeamusMcCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeamusMcCool)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/56 "2011-07-19T23:25:01Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Exactly. They were never YA novels, nor will they ever be YA novels. They are and ever shall be pulp without end. Yes, and who do you think was the primary consumer of Pulp novels? Male YA, my dad and his friends were reading that stuff before they hit 10, actually. We’re talking about the first half of the 20th century here. No computers, tvs with 200 channels, no video game consoles etc. ---
**Author:** ![SeamusMcCool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@SeamusMcCool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeamusMcCool)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/57 "2011-07-19T23:28:19Z")
> [@Evil\_Captor](#): > > Handwave it however you like. The original books had the original Martians strutting around in nothing but leather harnesses. Deal. Handwave? What is that? Some kind of lame projection. Listen, you got a dismissive attitude (handwave it) towards movies for a younger audience, don’t project it onto me. I don’t have a problem with John Carter being for a younger audience, I quite clearly stated that if people are expecting an adult movie, perhaps by your reference to leather harnesses, a Heavy Metal type adult movie, then you will probably be disappointed. Where the hell did you get an attack on the film itself by me? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/58 "2011-07-20T00:00:37Z")
> [@SeamusMcCool](#): > > Handwave? What is that? Some kind of lame projection. Listen, you got a dismissive attitude (handwave it) towards movies for a younger audience, don’t project it onto me. > > I don’t have a problem with John Carter being for a younger audience, I quite clearly stated that if people are expecting an adult movie, perhaps by your reference to leather harnesses, a Heavy Metal type adult movie, then you will probably be disappointed. > > Where the hell did you get an attack on the film itself by me? I am sure I will be disappointed, the trailer clearly shows they will not be following through with Burroughs’ text descriptions of the Martians, but I think it’s important to point out that that is what they are doing. Your post seemed to me to imply that because the books were, in your opinion, written for younger audience, it justified them not following through. I personally think the pulps got away with a lot of adult stuff because as a general rule, parents are pleased to see their kids reading ANYTHING. Hell, Conan sleeps with dancing girls and slavegirls and such in Howard’s novels, and the Gor novels, CLEARLY for mature audiences, often got shelved in juvenile sections … hell, I spotted a copy of “Dancer of Gor” in the juvenile section of a local public library a few … well, quite a few … years ago. So if you were not trying to JUSTIFY Disney not following Burrough’s intent on Martian dress codes with your statement, I apologize: I thought you were trying to do that. If you were only pointing out that Disney is unlikely to follow Burroughs’ lead, well, I knew that. I still think they are doing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/59 "2011-07-20T00:35:22Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Second book in the series, or maybe third. _The Gods of Mars_. That was just about the Green Guys going somewhere to die and be with their gods. I seem to recall Tars Tarkas faith being shaken when he found out they were regular guys. I’ll have to read Burroughs again to be able to discuss it with you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057/60 "2011-07-20T00:48:41Z")
> [@SeamusMcCool](#): > > Yes, and who do you think was the primary consumer of Pulp novels? :eek: Grownups! Just grownups! Not **me,** Pop! Honest! I heard what you said! I wouldn’t read one of **them** things even out behind the corncrib where we smoke! Oh, criminently . . . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-carter-of-mars-teaser-trailer/589057.md?page=4)