# John Constantine series on NBC, Fall 2014??!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 13, 2014, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331 "2014-05-13T07:01:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/21 "2014-05-14T18:50:27Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I believe the smoking thing is under debate right now. The writers want it, but I thInk NBC is concerned. TV-MA is automatic if smoking is prominent, I think. > [@theR](#): > > Based on the preview, it seems likely to be TV-MA even without smoking. Will it really be TV-14 without the smoking? I am under the impression that there is no TV equivalent of the MPAA’s Ratings and Classification board; ratings are assigned by the producers and/or broadcasters. I am also unaware of any specific rules that force particular TV ratings (like the “any drug use is a PG-13 minimum” rule for movies). Besides - if smoking makes a show TV-MA, then why isn’t pretty much every episode of _The Simpsons_ with Marge’s twin sisters in it an MA, or even a 14? I doubt NBC will let anything “too graphic” through for broadcast, and will insist on a TV-14 rating. What surprises me the most about the show is, NBC thinks there will be enough people in its “intended audience” home on Friday nights at 10:00. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/22 "2014-05-14T18:58:53Z")
Three letters: DVR. I imagine most of its intended audience would timeshift it. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/23 "2014-05-14T19:39:30Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > One thing I’m hoping for is that they’ll keep John’s bisexuality. > > (Perhaps bring in Nick Necro to bother him for a while.) > > I’m not holding my breath, but I’m hoping. Uhhh… not trying to be pissy, but why is this important? It’s not like being bi is a vital defining characteristic for JC. He’ll mack on another dude for robbery and racketeering purposes, not for jollies. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/24 "2014-05-15T01:16:05Z")
Firstly, you’re somewhat behind on John’s canon. The character I mentioned in that post, Nick Necro, was in a long-term committed (and polyamorous) relationship with John (and Zatanna). Nick’s a fairly recent addition to John’s story (maybe 2 years), but it certainly took the ‘depraved bisexual’ taint off John’s earlier play. Second, you’ve rather misinterpreted my concern. It’s not concern for the purity of John’s character, but rather the possibility of a missed opportunity to represent an underrepresented group (which I happen to be a member of) by ignoring an established aspect of the character. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/25 "2014-05-15T01:35:20Z")
Yeah… none of that is gonna happen. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/26 "2014-05-15T06:34:08Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > [li]He’s English - I’ll accept not being from Liverpool, but at least make him come from the right fucking country.[/li] I thought he was from Newcastle? Or are they as far apart as Dallas and Ft. Worth? ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/27 "2014-05-15T07:05:40Z")
> [@Horatio\_Hellpop](#): > > I thought he was from Newcastle? Or are they as far apart as Dallas and Ft. Worth? No, they’re pretty far apart. ---
**Author:** ![Smid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Smid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smid)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/28 "2014-05-15T10:06:45Z")
> [@Horatio\_Hellpop](#): > > I thought he was from Newcastle? Or are they as far apart as Dallas and Ft. Worth? He’s from Liverpool. He lived mostly in London during the comics, and was ‘sectioned’ (institutionalised) in Newcastle for a period, which is why its referred to. Distance isn’t as important in the uk for roots and accent/attitude. Newcastle is about 300 miles north of London, Liverpool about 200 North west (Scotland 350), all have wildly different accents. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/29 "2014-05-15T12:23:59Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > Firstly, you’re somewhat behind on John’s canon. The character I mentioned in that post, Nick Necro, was in a long-term committed (and polyamorous) relationship with John (and Zatanna). Nick’s a fairly recent addition to John’s story (maybe 2 years), but it certainly took the ‘depraved bisexual’ taint off John’s earlier play. > > Second, you’ve rather misinterpreted my concern. It’s not concern for the purity of John’s character, but rather the possibility of a missed opportunity to represent an underrepresented group (which I happen to be a member of) by ignoring an established aspect of the character. I’ll have to look for that story arc. I have zero memory of it, but I forget a lot of things. Plus, I think of all the terms that can be used to describe JC, “purity” is nowhere near the top. 🙂 I just thought if you’re going to designate somebody as iconic of your culture, JC would be a strange choice. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/30 "2014-05-15T13:11:17Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > This could be the best news I’d heard all day, IF: > [ul] > [li]He smokes unapologetically.[/li][li]He’s English - I’ll accept not being from Liverpool, but at least make him come from the right fucking country.[/li][li]He uses cons more than magic. Anything about JC should not be a special effects extravaganza.[/li][li]it’s pronounced “Contantine” (rhymes with wine.)[/li][/ul] > But it’ll probably be more like the Keanu movie. I don’t know about the smoking thing, don’t think it translates well. I was watching “Blue Is The Warmest Color” and one of the female protagonists smokes a lot. I kept thinking, “She sure looks stupid with that cigarette hanging out of her mouth.” I don’t think that was the intended effect. But I suspect it will be the effect on a large part of the American audience. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/31 "2014-05-15T13:55:17Z")
> [@Smid](#): > > He’s from Liverpool. He lived mostly in London during the comics, and was ‘sectioned’ (institutionalised) in Newcastle for a period, which is why its referred to. Was Ravenscar in Newcastle, too? Newcastle is referred to mostly due to Astrid’s botched exorcism. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/32 "2014-05-15T17:42:10Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > I’ll have to look for that story arc. I have zero memory of it, but I forget a lot of things. It’s not really an arc - it was part of the last month or so of the Justice League Dark/Constantine/Pandora/Phantom Stranger crossover section of the Forever Evil event. Like I said, Nick’s a very new character, introduced not quite 2 years ago, and all this was part of his first major appearance. (He’s also supposedly dead, but that didn’t stick before - Zee and John sending him to Hell, after he went nuts, was part of the backstory - so I’m hoping for more from him.) And, yeah, John’s not a great role model, but he is a hero (even if a flawed one), and his sexuality doesn’t have to be tied to his negative traits, even having existing comic canon to take a…well, I won’t say positive, since it all went to hell, as John’s relationships tend to, but a genuine, and originally as healthy as it could have been, given the guys involved, relationship. (And, yeah, I’m willing to take evil-bi-dude Nick as part of the bargain, since his sexuality ties into his villainhood only as what ties him to John.) (Conversely, I’m not desperate enough for representation to want to see Daken (a straight up (sorry) Depraved Bisexual) in an X-Men movie anytime soon.) ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/33 "2014-05-15T19:34:41Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > It’s not really an arc - it was part of the last month or so of the Justice League Dark/Constantine/Pandora/Phantom Stranger crossover section of the Forever Evil event. Oh, gotcha. I subscribe to Constantine, but not the other titles, so I didn’t really follow what was going on. I have all the Hellblazer issues. I couldn’t remember JC doing it with another guy, but it wouldn’t have surprised me if he did. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/34 "2014-05-16T00:08:18Z")
JC did it with an FBI agent, but it was a con (of course). I wonder if the show will have Kit or Emma. It looks like there may be a Gemma expy. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/35 "2014-05-16T05:54:35Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > What surprises me the most about the show is, NBC thinks there will be enough people in its “intended audience” home on Friday nights at 10:00. Same time slot they ran _Miami Vice, Dracula, and Hannibal_ in, innit? Seems to be where they put the “stylishly violent” shows. I’m not so worried. > [@planetcory](#): > > There’s also [a brief clip from the pilot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdAZwMRvGuc)online. Bad news: He pronounces it ‘-teen’. OK, I’m not good on keeping straight different north country accents. Is JC’s accent in that clip a reasonable Scouse? ---
**Author:** ![mage-girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cc9497/32.png) [@mage-girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mage-girl)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2014, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/36 "2014-05-16T06:06:14Z")
> [@planetcory](#): > > This is a very common guilty admission, actually. A lot of people seem to hate that the movie strayed so far from the source material, but don’t actually hate the movie on its own terms, but hate that they don’t hate the movie like they’re supposed to. Whew! Good to know. I was thinking I was alone in the world. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/37 "2014-06-29T21:59:11Z")
[He will not smoke on the show.](http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/32742/nbc-s-constantine-will-not-feature-smoking) ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2014, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331/38 "2014-06-30T02:12:12Z")
It sounds like while jr won’t smoke on camera, he’ll still be depicted as a smoker. That’s something, I guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-constantine-series-on-nbc-fall-2014/688331.md?page=1)