To what does the word “sort” refer in this phrase?
That’s interesting advice coming from you, considering how badly you’re mangling Contrapuntal’s position.
That was the conditional. If the glove don’t fit…
Also not sure what your issue is. If you can’t see manufactured outrage for what it is, well oh well.
Here’s how it goes: hate a narsty liberal, find any excuse to make said liberal look like a puppy-killer, accuse liberal of same. Oh boo hoo, Edwards decided that maybe he should run for President while holding another office. People have blamed other liberals for this, too. Who’s slanging the four conservative presidential candidates, also sitting in office now? Contra? Got anything to say about them?
So, please keep your confused musings about what sort of person I am to yourself, please.
And really, read what I have said more carefully. Nowhere have I made reference to where Edwards sits on the political spectrum, nowhere have I accused him of anything other than lying, nowhere have I said that nobody currently in office should should run for president. You have made all that up. You might also note that I voted for Edwards, and ponder where that puts me on the political spectrum.
John Edwards bought himself a Senate to the sole purpose of running for president. He lied to his constituents, and cheated them out of their proper representation. I don’t give a rat’s ass if he is a conservative, “narsty liberal,” two-seed-in-the-spirit revelationist, or whatnot. What he isn’t is a man of his word.
:rolleyes: I’ve heard you call other people that, before, too.
One doesn’t need a Senate seat to run, or any other for that matter. You are attributing evil motive with zero proof.
If you liked him enough to want him for Senator, then you should be delighted he’s running for President.
As someone who voted for him, I don’t remember his ever saying that. I could have a crappy memory, no doubt; would you mind refreshing it with a cite?
Daniel
I doubt that I can. He did so during campaign speeches. I never saw it in print.
In this state? Where two major dailies and over a dozen smaller ones dissect everything a statewide candidate says? If he ever made a promise to get help for the Moore County potteries, somebody’s got a record of it.
I can accept that he happened to say this in a speech you happened to be at, and that the 50 journalists present happened to unanimously decide not to report it. But I also believe people who claim to have seen UFOs and cryptobiota – with a significant degree of what Lib says I shouldn’t call “skepticism.”
So I’ll take your word with the same caveat. I presume this was in 1998, from the content. Would you be so kind as to nail down some details about the promise – where, during what speech, etc.? I’m not asking out of an attempt to debunk you, but to nail it down with a potential cite if one exists, because if actually promised, and then carried out in the manner he actually did, with much of his last two years in office devoted to his first quest for the Presidential nomination, it would be a strong negative indicator for me and for a lot of others who can understand why circumstance might force a breaking of a political promise, especially one with hidden caveats (“Your sons will not be sent to a foreign war”; “Read my lips – No new taxes!”) but will not tolerate flat-out misrepresentation for political expediency.
Thanks.
I’ll look for it Poly. I said I never saw it in print, not that it never was in print.
This was a major talking point against him in the Letters to the Editor column in our local newspaper before the election, as I recall. I suspect that if it ever was something he actually said (as opposed to being a talking point manufactured by local Republicans to minimize the chance that his presence on the ticket would turn NC blue), there would be evidence of it in the rightwing blogosphere.
I suspect that he promised to work for North Carolinians, but never made any mention about working for North Carolinians for the full six-year term. I could certainly be wrong, but that would be my suspicion.
Daniel
I admire John and Elizabeth Edwards in their decision to continue the campaign.
A most telling quote, from their press release about her recurrence of cancer, and in relation to the death of their son in a car accident:
“We’ve been confronted with these kinds of traumas and struggles already in our life,” Edwards said. “When this happens, you have a choice – you can go and cower in the corner or you can go out there and be tough.”
That’s the way they respond to life struggles, both of them ambitious in their goals, but with hard experience in the past. At this point, they are taking the optomistic route, with the great medical resources of the area in NC. Elizabeth will be well-taken care of between UNC and Duke’s hospitals.
The apparatus of the campaign is in place; they’ve worked hard for that. I can see not wanting to just call it off after all that effort. And, I hope that Edwards can stay in the race as long as possible; he is an apt speaker, who brings up good points about what has been wrong these past years with the current administration. I hope he can speak out as long as possible, even if Elizabeth’s illness does later cause them to bow out.
What’s wrong with going on as if every day matters, sticking to your principles, and going ahead until it it’s truly not possible???
I hope folks saw them on 60 minutes this eve. They answered most questions/criticisms that were brought up here.
There is another cold but practical reality if he stays in the race. While every caring onlooker hopes Mrs Edwards has a long survival, if her survival turns out to be unfortunately short–if she dies, say, before the end of this year-- his political stock should rise.
He will be seen as a man who stood by his wife’s wishes that he continue in public life.
He will be unencumbered by her illness.
He will be single, able to focus entirely on the job at hand.
He will be able to speak to American healthcare with personal conviction.
He will garner a certain number of sympathy votes from the chronically ill.
I do not wish anything but the best for Mrs Edwards, nor am I suggesting the Edwards put this scenario into their own calculus. I am simply trying to address the question raised in the OP.
As a single parent with two kids under ten years old? Do you have any idea how difficult that situation is?
Mr. Moto and Shodan, thanks for not playing politics with this particular thread. I can’t imagine what either of the Edwards must be feeling. Speaking only for myself, I would want things to continue as they had been for as long as they could.
I’m glad your great-grandfather didn’t serve as an advisor to Franklin D. Roosevelt. Might have talked him out of running for President since his legs were paralyzed from polio.
And thank heavens your grandfather didn’t have a chance to talk Kennedy out of running for President because of his Addison’s Disease, osteoporosis and chronic back pain. We might well be Cuba’s nuclear leftovers.
And one of our most loved First Ladies had breast cancer while her husband was in the White House. Then she became dependent on pain-killing drugs and alcohol. She had to be hospitalized first to have her breast removed and then again to detox. Would your dad have had President Ford resign? Betty became very special to us.
Finally, your comparison to Gingrich was one of the most illogical statements that I’ve read from anyone with the SDSAB. You know better.
As a man, just a man who loves a woman, I don’t understand why he doesn’t just drop out. He has virtually no chance of getting the nomination. His wife is likely to die within a few years if not months. As was mentioned earlier, she will require a lot of care during these end stages.
He is already wealthy and successful. He doesn’t NEED to pursue this. I understand she is on record saying he should keep it up. But I think deep down inside she would rather he just come home. They can spin the “she could live for several years” thing all they want, but stats point to a sad and shorter outcome.
Dude, just be with your wife and family, do those little things she likes. Take her to Disneyland, or whatever she wants to do before she goes.
Why do you think this? She was, after all, willing to be married to a man engaged in a brutal political fight, and she was wanting him to go back into the arena. Is it possible that she thinks differently from how you think?
Daniel
…and if what she wants to do before she goes is spend her time in a campaign for the Presidency? If you and Elizabeth Edwards disagree on what her wishes are, to which of you should John Edwards be listening?
Oh, please. You have no idea what my argument is, do you?
Here’s what I’m saying: If John Edwards has decided that running for President is more important to him than staying with his wife as she goes through several years of painful, debilitating and horrible chemotherapy before she slides into oblivion, then I think it says bad things about Edwards’ character and his grasping ambition.
Of course, I keep forgetting that Democrats don’t actually have ambition, that they only run for office because of their intense desire to serve humanity, and that if he’s essentially leaving his wife to die alone, it must be okay.
My fault for not remembering what a joke this forum is.
I caught the last few minutes of the Edwardses on 60 Minutes last night. Mrs. Edwards was quite clear that if she died, she did not want her legacy to be preventing him from serving the public as president. Catie Couric pressed the point, asking Edwards if he was putting work ahead of family by continuing the campaign. Edwards was emphatic that work was what he did as a lawyer, running for president is to serve the country. Believe that or not, both seemed sincere to me.