# John Fetterman really needs to resign **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 4, 2025, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875 "2025-05-04T22:13:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/163 "2025-07-11T11:53:34Z")
Man, talk about regret for my past support. He’s more than a disappointment. I wonder if his spouse and family support this new behavior? His wife seemed very liberal to me so I’d be surprised, but what do I know. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/164 "2025-07-11T12:01:11Z")
At near the top of [this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/3) there are articles about his wife being shocked at his recent behavior and political stances. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/165 "2025-07-11T12:04:19Z")
If the reporting is right about Fetterman’s mental state and capabilities, then I predict Fetterman will limp through his term and not run again. At best it seems like he really, really doesn’t like being a senator. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/166 "2025-07-11T12:32:47Z")
Oh I didn’t catch that. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/167 "2025-07-11T12:38:05Z")
She actually was an undocumented immigrant herself: > **[Gisele's Story - John Fetterman](https://johnfetterman.com/meet/giseles-story/)** > > Gisele met John after writing a letter to him inquiring about Braddock and the efforts to revitalize the community. In 2008, John and Gisele got married. Together, John and Gisele have been living in Braddock … > [@](#): > > Born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, Gisele’s mother took her and her younger brother to the United States when she was seven, all of them undocumented immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/168 "2025-07-11T13:29:54Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > The framing and phrasing here are so MAGA and therefore so dumb my brain hurts bad. So if anyone does anything “important,” they are above criticism? He’s recycling the anti-“defund-the-police” script. Not that surprising. Which is restating a fallacy. Of course there should be a body for Homeland Security investigations and immigration and customs enforcement. But it should not be a body of masked unidentified armed thugs whose mission is to be obedient dogs carrying out orders to grab and abuse a million people a year, with a $45Billion cashbox to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/169 "2025-07-11T13:57:40Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > ICE performs an important job for our country. > > Any calls to abolish ICE are 💯 inappropriate and outrageous. > > The framing and phrasing here are so MAGA and therefore so dumb my brain hurts bad. So if anyone does anything “important,” they are above criticism? > > Fucking moron. Seriously? What the fuck is MAGA framing about this? You _do_ know that when MAGA says we are for open borders, they are _lying_, right? ICE is being horribly abused by the Trump Admin at this time. That doesn’t mean that border enforcement isn’t important or that we should completely abolish the agency that does it. That’s just stupid. > [@JRDelirious](#): > > But it should not be a body of masked unidentified armed thugs whose mission is to be obedient dogs carrying out orders to grab and abuse a million people a year, with a $45Billion cashbox to do so. …aren’t you committing the fallacy by implying that Fetterman thinks that the agency enforcing the border should be made up of masked, unidentified armed thugs grabbing a million people a year with $45 billion? He said no such thing. > [@JRDelirious](#): > > He’s recycling the anti-“defund-the-police” script. Not that surprising. Considering how badly it played last time, why are we recycling the “defund-the-police” script to begin with for ICE? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/170 "2025-07-11T14:08:18Z")
> [@Aeschines](#): > > This guy sucks and is an idiot. > > [John Fetterman is a Major Disappointment](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/7/10/2332748/-John-Fetterman-is-a-Major-Disappointment?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web) > > > [@John Fetterman](#): > > > > ICE performs an important job for our country. > > Any calls to abolish ICE are 💯 inappropriate and outrageous. > > The framing and phrasing here are so MAGA and therefore so dumb my brain hurts bad. So if anyone does anything “important,” they are above criticism? > > Fucking moron. it was a failure on his part not to call out ICE abuses. It’s an embarrassment for Daily Kos that they quoted his tweet opposing abolishment of ICE and then tried to pretend he said something entirely different. Fetterman also tweeted this: > [@](#): > > “Absolutely support amnesty for the hardworking, otherwise law-abiding migrant workers. Round up and deport the criminals. We must acknowledge the critical contribution migrants make to our nation’s economy,” ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/171 "2025-07-11T14:09:41Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > It’s an embarrassment for Daily Kos that they quoted his tweet opposing abolishment of ICE and then tried to pretend he said something entirely different. > > Fetterman also tweeted this: > > > [@](#): > > > > “Absolutely support amnesty for the hardworking, otherwise law-abiding migrant workers. Round up and deport the criminals. We must acknowledge the critical contribution migrants make to our nation’s economy,” But if they quoted him in full, how would they pretend he’s a brain damaged MAGA loving Trump bootlicker? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/172 "2025-07-11T14:37:04Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > …aren’t you committing the fallacy by implying that Fetterman thinks that the agency enforcing the border should be made up of masked, unidentified armed thugs grabbing a million people a year with $45 billion? Nope. Read again. Fetterman is saying “but we need something like ICE”. I am saying, sure, but make sure it’s not THIS. Don’t just say “no”, give me an alternative. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/173 "2025-07-11T14:39:04Z")
Is Fetterman speaking out against the thuggery of ICE? If he’s only defending them, then it’s entirely reasonable to presume he supports their thuggery. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/174 "2025-07-11T14:39:36Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Nope. Read again. Fetterman is saying “but we need something like ICE”. I am saying, sure, but make sure it’s not THIS. Don’t just say “no”, give me an alternative The alternative is ICE as it was before Trump, or its pre-Department of Homeland Security incarnation, INS. Neither of which had any of the objectionable properties listed above. I ask again: where did Fetterman say that the version of ICE we need involved masked unidentified thugs grabbing a million people a year? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/175 "2025-07-11T14:45:24Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The alternative is ICE as it was before Trump, or its pre-Department of Homeland Security incarnation, INS. Neither of which had any of the objectionable properties listed above. Excellent then let him say so. It’s fine to say, as he DID, that he does not approve of what is being done, but when _the structure itself_ has been corrupted, you should not look like you are defending it. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/176 "2025-07-11T14:50:57Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Excellent then let him say so. It’s fine to say, as he DID, that he does not approve of what is being done, but when _the structure itself_ has been corrupted, you should not look like you are defending it He’s said that ICE should only go after criminals, as quoted above. He’s also come out very strongly against things like the effort to repeal birthright citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/177 "2025-07-11T14:56:42Z")
By definition, aren’t all undocumented immigrants criminals? That seems to be their thinking when they apprehend immigrants coming out of immigration court. It seems like their only “crime” is not having their immigration status approved. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/178 "2025-07-11T14:57:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > He’s said that ICE should only go after criminals, as quoted above. They are only going after criminals, just any anyone in the Trump administration. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/179 "2025-07-11T15:00:45Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > By definition, aren’t all undocumented immigrants criminals? That seems to be their thinking when they apprehend immigrants coming out of immigration court. It seems like their only “crime” is not having their immigration status approved. You _could_ just look a few posts up to where Fetterman’s tweet was quoted: > [@Babale](#): > > “Absolutely support amnesty for the hardworking, **otherwise law-abiding** migrant workers. Round up and deport the criminals. We must acknowledge the critical contribution migrants make to our nation’s economy,” Emphasis mine. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/180 "2025-07-11T15:24:01Z")
Saying “law-abiding” is way to vague. Migrants are being apprehended for all kinds of minor crimes. For instance: > **[Less than 10% of immigrants taken into ICE custody in recent months had...](https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/16/us/la-ice-raids-violent-criminals-records-invs)** > > Trump touts ICE raids, but data shows most taken into custody recently are non-violent offenders. > [@](#): > > More than 75% of people booked into ICE custody in fiscal year 2025 had no criminal conviction other than an immigration or traffic-related offense, according to ICE records from October through the end of May. And less than 10% were convicted of serious crimes like murder, assault, robbery or rape. Fetterman is a politician. He has to understand what he says is delivering a message. If he means that only violent criminals should be rounded up, then he needs to say that. As it is, it’s not clear what he means. And he doesn’t come out against the extremely heavy handed and violent way that ICE is apprehending immigrants. It would have been great if he could have related how he would have felt if his wife’s family was treated like this when she was 7-years-old. If her mom came out of her immigration hearing after being denied, how would he have felt if ICE rounded up her and all her kids and sent them back to Brazil simply because her hearing was denied or she had a traffic ticket? Something like that is what a politician needs to do. The clumsy way he delivered his message made things worse and doesn’t bode well for his political future as a Democrat. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/181 "2025-07-11T15:27:14Z")
Fetterman is normalizing government terrorism. That is not acceptable, and there is absolutely no excuse or defense of it. Trying to defend Fetterman for it is also deplorable. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2025, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875/182 "2025-07-11T15:40:54Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > By definition, aren’t all undocumented immigrants criminals? AIUI undocumented status _by itself alone_ is a civil/administrative violation and it’s aspects of how you entered, what have you done after you entered, how have you prevented your detection and removal, that may be criminal offenses. But I am willing to be corrected. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-fetterman-really-needs-to-resign/1017875.md?page=10)