# John Kerry's Pro-Terror Voting Record **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 3, 2004, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129 "2004-08-03T13:20:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/41 "2004-08-03T16:15:21Z")
**scr4** : Too lazy to look up the bill in question but without even bothering to look it up, I would note that if the Reps want to claim that voting for that cut in FBI funding (which passed) constituted being weak on terrorism, I think they might first want to root out those 9 Republicans from their own party who voted for it. Without their support, the Democrats wouldn’t have been able to pass it. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/42 "2004-08-03T16:19:15Z")
> [@David Simmons](#): > > It’s not legitimate to take a bare number and make a conclusion. It would be necessary to go back, read what the terms of H.R. 2076 were and what the pros and cons were **at the time.** Yes, that’s why I asked if anyone here knew the specifics of this bill. I apologize if I was out of line in asking here rather than doing the research myself - but I’m not too experienced at finding an deciphering government records. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/43 "2004-08-03T16:24:45Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Yes, that’s why I asked if anyone here knew the specifics of this bill. I apologize if I was out of line in asking here rather than doing the research myself - but I’m not too experienced at finding an deciphering government records. I didn’t mean to sound surly, but the assumptions in this thread, and the campaign sound bites on which it seems to be based are trivial crap and appear to be designed to capture the attention of those who don’t have time for politics. ---
**Author:** ![E72521](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dbc845/32.png) [@E72521](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E72521)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/44 "2004-08-03T16:25:58Z")
[A warm welcome for friend Token.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=5130950#post5130950) ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/45 "2004-08-03T16:29:21Z")
I note that in that vote, the R’s who supported included notable conservatives such as Nancy Kassebaum and Alan Simpson… who was at the time the Assistant Republican Leader. Who knew that elements of the Republican leadership during the Clinton era were also so soft on terrorism? ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/46 "2004-08-03T16:30:10Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > (I don’t mean to support TWG but I keep hearing that claim on right-wing radio and I’m curious.) Ah, well that’s at least a start. Take note **TWG**. **scr4** was able to provide a reference point for a Congressional vote- (H.R. 2076, CQ Vote #480: Adopted 49-41: R 9-40; D 40-1, 9/29/95, Kerry Voted Yea) Here’s the loc (Library of Congress) link to the measure in question [http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:HR02076:](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:HR02076:) Here’s some more details [http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:HR02076:@@@L&summ2=m&#status](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:HR02076:@@@L&summ2=m&#status) Very helpful for those who’d like to examine the source douments as thoroughly as **TWG** has. Or maybe **TWG** had someone he trusts examine these docs for him? Here for example is an ammendment to this bill proposed by Kerry [http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:SP02817:](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:SP02817:) S.AMDT.2817 Amends: H.R.2076 Sponsor: Sen Kerrey, J. Robert [NE] (submitted 9/28/1995) (proposed 9/28/1995) AMENDMENT PURPOSE: To decrease the amount of funding for Federal Bureau of Investigation construction and increase the amount of funding for the National Information Infrastructure. TEXT OF AMENDMENT AS SUBMITTED: CR S14555 STATUS: 9/28/1995: Proposed by Senator Kerrey. 9/29/1995: Considered by Senate. 9/29/1995: Motion to table SP 2817 rejected in Senate by Yea-Nay Vote. 33-64. Record Vote No: 477. 9/29/1995: Amendment SP 2817 as modified agreed to in Senate by Voice Vote. COSPONSORS(7): Sen Snowe, Olympia J. [ME] - 9/28/1995 Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [VT] - 9/28/1995 Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] - 9/28/1995 Sen Bingaman, Jeff [NM] - 9/28/1995 Sen Daschle, Thomas A. [SD] - 9/29/1995 Sen Jeffords, James M. [VT] - 9/29/1995 Sen Robb, Charles S. [VA] - 9/29/1995 Here’s the text of the actual ammendmen itself: [http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?r104:./temp/~r104Gb8y6i](http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/C?r104:./temp/~r104Gb8y6i) KERREY (AND OTHERS) AMENDMENT NO. 2817 (Senate - September 28, 1995) [Page: S14555] Mr. KERREY (for himself, Mr. Leahy, Mr. Lieberman, and Mr. Bingaman) proposed an amendment to the bill H.R. 2076, supra; as follows: At the appropriate place in the bill insert the following: `The amounts made available to the Department of Justice in Title I for administration and travel are reduced by $19,200,000.’ On page 73, between lines 4 and 5, insert the following: INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS For grants authorized by section 392 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, $18,000,000, to remain available until expended as authorized by section 391 of the Act, as amended: Provided, That not to exceed $900,000 shall be available for program administration and other support activities as authorized by section 391 of the Act including support of the Advisory Council on National Information Infrastructure: Provided further, That of the funds appropriated herein, not to exceed 5 percent may be available for telecommunications research activities for projects related directly to the development of a national information infrastructure: Provided further, That notwithstanding the requirements of section 392(a) and 392(c) of the Act, these funds may be used for the planning and construction of telecommunications networks for the provision of educational, cultural, health care, public information, public safety, or other social services: Provided further, That in reviewing proposals for funding, the Telecommunications and Information and Infrastructure Assistance Program (also known as the National Information Infrastructure Program) shall add to the factors taken into consideration the following: (1) the extent to which the proposed project is consistent with State plans and priorities for the deployment of the telecommunications and information infrastructure and services; and (2) the extent to which the applicant has planned and coordinated the proposed project with other telecommunications and information entities in the State. I won’t burden the hamsters with full text of the bil itself. Perhaps See, now we can all examine the evidence of this particular item. Now, **Token** if you’d be so kind as to provide citations for the rest of what you’re asserting, the rest of us can examine the documenst as thoroughly as you have. Whenever you get ready, let 'er rip. Good Luck ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/47 "2004-08-03T16:33:22Z")
oh well He’ll have to learn on his own time I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/48 "2004-08-03T16:41:08Z")
Simon, looks like you’ve thumbed the wrong Kerry - the one mentioned in that bill is Robert Kerrey from Nebraska. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/49 "2004-08-03T16:52:09Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Simon, looks like you’ve thumbed the wrong Kerry - the one mentioned in that bill is Robert Kerrey from Nebraska. See, that’s why I needed **Token** ’s experienced assisstance. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/50 "2004-08-03T19:18:38Z")
If you need his help, **SimonX,** you’re in deeper trouble than I thought. ---
**Author:** ![Billdo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/billdo/32/315_2.png) [@Billdo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Billdo)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/51 "2004-08-03T20:23:22Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Simon, looks like you’ve thumbed the wrong Kerry - the one mentioned in that bill is Robert Kerrey from Nebraska. That being the same Bob Kerrey from Nebraska who is a member of the [9/11 Commission](http://www.9-11commission.gov/). ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/52 "2004-08-03T23:10:09Z")
I notice that that bill was co-sponsored by that well known bleeding heart, anti-military sap, Joe Lieberman… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/53 "2004-08-04T00:11:07Z")
> [@sevastopol](#): > > It would be nice to lure $15 bucks out of this guy. You know, before… Curses! [loses bet with self] ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2004, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-kerrys-pro-terror-voting-record/258129/54 "2004-08-04T00:14:52Z")
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