# John Mace, just Pit him already! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 29, 2007, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392 "2007-08-29T18:32:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/41 "2007-08-29T23:44:54Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] Again! Platitudes. Are you going to offer any substance? Or just continue to take pot shots? Talking points. [/QUOTE] Exactly what kind of “substance” do you want me to offer you…? You seem to have plenty of the good stuff yourself. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/42 "2007-08-29T23:46:32Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] Fuck you too. I don’t smoke weed. [/QUOTE] Perhaps you should. Certainly your harsh could use a mellow. Oh well, different strokes for different folks…no wonder there are so many kinds of porn. _::::shrug:::_ ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/43 "2007-08-29T23:49:39Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] Gracias. But old-timer that I am, does that have anything to do with _Loco-weed_? [/QUOTE] Same stuff: [_Datura stramonium_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium) ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/44 "2007-08-29T23:49:52Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Exactly what kind of “substance” do you want me to offer you…? You seem to have plenty of the good stuff yourself. [/QUOTE] Grow up. Later. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/45 "2007-08-29T23:50:13Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] And all I get in response is “lay off the bong, dude.” [/QUOTE] Or at least quit Bogarding it. Like we’re not entitled to “higher posts.” 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/46 "2007-08-29T23:50:18Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] How the fuck am I an idiot? To look at this thread like a GD thread… Is proposed that **John Mace** should just Pit **BG**. Someone thinks JM is pussyfooting around in GD and should just let loose and Pit him. I like **BG**. Agree with him 90% of the time. Granted, I’m stretching, looking at this thread as a free invitation for JM to wail on BG. So I quickly sided with BG. I don’t know JM, so I take the OP’s word that he has a problem with BG. You have a problem with BG, then you have a problem with me. Simple as that. And all I get in response is “lay off the bong, dude.” [/QUOTE] I’m actually getting a good laugh out of this, so I’ll explain. This thread is about me asking \*\*BG \*\*to offer more than just a link in his GD OPs. It has nothing to do with politics, even though I tend to disagree with \*\*BG \*\*quite a bit. We’re not talking about politics here, just what constitutes a proper OP in GD, and whether I’ve crossed the line by asking \*\*BG \*\*what his opinion is when he just posts an OP that is nothing more than: _Here’s an article.. What do you think?_ As for the post of mine that you quoted, I was not blaming the Dems for anything, just saying what I thought they should do in the future. Got it? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/47 "2007-08-29T23:50:51Z")
> [@if6was9](#): > > You have a problem with BG, then you have a problem with me. Simple as that. Oh fucking bravo. What a stand up guy you are. I didn’t say “put down the bong”. I spelled out why your interpretation of John’s quote was idiotic. I’m not holding your hand and walking you through it. John and tomndebb’s points about BG’s posting style have nothing to with “agreeing” with him. He is a fucking lazy lazy OP writer and he should, frankly, be a little embarrassed by it. But I guess he figures the audience here is so “onside” with whatever he thinks his clip’n’paste means that it’s too obvious to actually type out. Like all trhose “Words fail me..” pittings of babies left in cars. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2007, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/48 "2007-08-29T23:53:28Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] How the fuck am I an idiot? To look at this thread like a GD thread… Is proposed that **John Mace** should just Pit **BG**. Someone thinks JM is pussyfooting around in GD and should just let loose and Pit him. I like **BG**. Agree with him 90% of the time. Granted, I’m stretching, looking at this thread as a free invitation for JM to wail on BG. So I quickly sided with BG. I don’t know JM, so I take the OP’s word that he has a problem with BG. You have a problem with BG, then you have a problem with me. Simple as that. And all I get in response is “lay off the bong, dude.” [/QUOTE] So you come in and make pronouncements on **John Mace** without knowing anything about him, assume all kinds of facts not in evidence and don’t even bother to read the original thread(s) because you like some guy on a message board and assume anybody who has a problem with any little thing he does is wrong? Yep, you’re a fucking idiot. And let me second the suggestion that you start smoking weed. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/49 "2007-08-30T00:01:13Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] Same stuff: [_Datura stramonium_](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium) [/QUOTE] Thank you but no thank you – guess **'luc** has me pegged with the moderate label…but I’ll certainly pass on Jimson Weed, Gypsum Weed, Loco Weed, Jamestown Weed, Thorn Apple, Angel’s Trumpet, Devil’s Trumpet, Mad Hatter, Crazy Tea, and Zombie’s Cucumber or any other name it goes by. Stuff is simply beyond my intake powers. And AFAIK I only did it once. Nuts. Shit, in the good old days it was so much simpler…Jamaican Gold, Mexican sinsemilla (a particularly lazy favorite of mine for obvious reasons), Panama Red to take a chance with A to Z local grown stuff. From near-parsley to killer weed. Fuck, I’m old. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/50 "2007-08-30T00:11:43Z")
Ooops! Sorry for all my off-topic crapola. I was just time-surfing to better days. Done. You may know keep on pounding on **BG** and **John**. Barrel of fuckin’ fun that ought to be. Say **John** , have you ever said “fuck off” to anyone? 'cause I do believe **BG** has you on that score. So feel free to use it on me for hijacking your very own Pit thread. So sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/51 "2007-08-30T00:28:36Z")
[QUOTE=wring] please repost when you have a firm opinion. 😉 [/QUOTE] Are you sneering? If I want snotty snickering, I’ll snatch Snopes. > [@if6was9](#): > > He scours the web looking for the latest atrocities. He should change his name to **Wide World of BG**. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/52 "2007-08-30T00:30:56Z")
[QUOTE=Jackmannii] Are you sneering? If I want snotty snickering, I’ll snatch Snopes…]. [/QUOTE] Don’t be snippy! ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/53 "2007-08-30T00:36:08Z")
This pitting is weeeeeeeeeek. Help me! I’m Dying! Help! Help! ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/54 "2007-08-30T12:53:18Z")
[QUOTE=Omegaman] This pitting is weeeeeeeeeek. [/QUOTE] Not yet, we’re only on day two. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2007, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/55 "2007-08-30T17:55:30Z")
Update: Earlier I criticized **BrainGlutton** for basically putting out thoughtless OPs. In the interest of fairness, I saw a couple of threads he started this morning in GD, and let me be the first to say, I saw them as a noticeable improvement over the “cut and paste from a news story, what do you think?” formula that grated on me. I don’t know if that is a cooincidence or a a result of this thread, but I found the ones I read to be interesting topics with the issue for debate framed well. So, **BG** , here’s one person who appreciates the extra effort. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2007, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/56 "2007-09-02T11:22:16Z")
I enjoy reading Kos, Glenn Greenwald, TPM, Digby, FAIR, Media Matters, etc. Generally, after reading those sites I have a pretty good idea what **BG** will be posting for the day. > [@CarnalK](#): > > But I guess he figures the audience here is so “onside” with whatever he thinks his clip’n’paste means that it’s too obvious to actually type out. Like all trhose “Words fail me..” pittings of babies left in cars. So like, you support roasting infants to death in cars? ZOMG! What you said is on the money. And he’s right too. “Debates” about Iraq, for example, mostly involve pages of cynical sarcasm followed by brief bursts of light from random dyed in the wool wingnuts, the few true believers still hanging on, with the bulk of the entertainment starring **John Mace** , **'luci** , **xtisme** and **RedFury** , with guest appearances by **ElvisL1ves** and **Der Trihs**. Usually it flares up over some retarded, tangential point, eventually coming back full circle to the concept of American imperialism. Not that I follow these things, you understand. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2007, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392/57 "2007-09-02T21:55:09Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] Thank you but no thank you – guess **'luc** has me pegged with the moderate label…but I’ll certainly pass on Jimson Weed, Gypsum Weed, Loco Weed, Jamestown Weed, Thorn Apple, Angel’s Trumpet, Devil’s Trumpet, Mad Hatter, Crazy Tea, and Zombie’s Cucumber or any other name it goes by. [/QUOTE] I have a theory that every list of alternate/slang names for a particular drug contains at least one item that nobody actually uses, but that someone included as a joke. (In this particular case “Zombie’s Cucumber” sounds pretty suspect, even if it is used in actuality.) With Wiki this can be done by anyone at any time, of course— but even “official” lists of drug “street names,” e.g., on the DEA website, always seem to contain a few suspicious entries, which I picture being given to a credulous narc by some drug informant prankster, like: _COCAINE - a.k.a. coke, blow, snow, c, caine, nostril sugar, Tinkerbell toot, and 20 Mule Team Borax…_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mace-just-pit-him-already/417392.md?page=2)