The founding fathers warned us that there will be times when there would be a lack of enlightened statesmen.
I happen to think Carter got crushed by the economy (remember stagflation) and he was the man who could have brought peace to the middle east (remember when Egypt/Israel was the big issue?
I don’t think its ever too early to start a thread called “How will the Democrats fuck up THIS election?” I think I would start pitting the 2012 election in the next few weeks.
True dat.
I think it’s just the fundamental nature of the beast; if the Democrats had pols who were the cold, calculating, laser-focused election-oriented schemers who knew how to manipulate events in order to win… they’d be Republicans. 
Or, as Douglas Adams wrote, “Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
I agree: Carter, Clinton, Johnson…
Oh, I get it, you were taking shots at Republicans! My bad for not getting it right away.
I was? Where did I say that?
You didn’t. Methinks however, that your past posting record has caught up to you and perhaps incorrect (this time ) assumptions were made as to your intent…
-XT
That may have been one of the few times he wasn’t. I read it as applicable to anyone.
I don’t think we can say that Democrats are good and pure and Republicans kick puppies. Of course it is a little easier now that the southern Democrats have just switched over to the Republican party.
I think it’s just that McCain is one of those Republicans that liberals can support - in theory. He is fine, as long as some other Republican is running - then they can make bipartisan noises about how they could vote for a reasonable, mainstream guy like McCain.
Then he starts to campaign. In order to get elected, he has to try to appeal to other groups in addition to liberals, and then they can sigh and say that he has sold out and vote for the Democrat anyway.
Regards,
Shodan
Piffle. There was never any real threat that lefties were going to vote in droves of Big John, his policies and politics are nowhere near acceptable. What we admired was his transitory state of straight-forwardness. That, and the fact that he dissed GeeDub when he richly deserved it.
There was a lot to admire. But he’s thrown all that overboard, apparently from a raging case of Presidential Fever. When he had no chance at all, he was willing to be candid and upfront, had nothing to lose, could look Falwell right in the eye and say “Fuck you, hatemonger”. He’s fallen victim to believing his own press releases, believing that he has a credible shot at it. So he genuflects and kisses the ring.
What imprisonment and torture could not accomplish, ambition could. McCain corrupted himself. Alas.
Yeah, how dare they stand up for their values when McCain starts courting ultra-conservatives and religious fundamentalists. If he has even one liberal policy, they are, of course, obliged to vote for him.
Elucidator, i’m not sure there was ever much for liberals or leftists to admire about McCain, politically speaking. Sure, he has some appealing personal qualities, and that can take a person a long way in politics. But scraping beneath the amiable personality and patina of media-hyped “integrity” has nearly always revealed policy positions that sit very comfortably at the conservative end of the political spectrum. Hell, even McCain-Feingold, one of the things that is often held up as a defining liberal moment for McCain, was just another piece of watered-down legislation that pleased neither opponents nor supporters of true campaign finance reform.
I’m gonna use that.
You are Devo!
I’ve long preferred “Democrats are stupid, but Republicans are evil” myself. At least you (meaning ordinary citizens) can outsmart the stupid folks…
(And before anyone asks, GWB may be stupid, but Cheney and Rove are evil. )
If I spend more time railing against Republicans, it’s only because they’re the ones doing more damage to the country in the last 20 years than the Dems. Put the Dems in power for a decade and watch me rip them a few new ones too.
NO, you’re way wrong. He is ten million times worse than the same ole, etc…
He is exactly the same, only he is more longwinded that Lyndon Johnson and more tepid than…what was his name…Gore? Lieberman? Quayle? Cheney?
Each time he speaks, I’m waiting for a point, and he drones on and on and on and on, (typing etc, and bolding it and italicizing, etc…seems so woefully inadequate!!!) and after all of that droning he finally gets to the point and his point is that everybody should do good and there are other opinions and he will not be a person that isn’t tolerant of tolerant people, and that the Constitutional process will be carried on by Constitutional people, and he believes in doing things the way they should be done, and then he will bask in the accolades of the interviewer.
Look, I’m so right wing that I make Barry Goldwater look like Fidel Castro’s lovechild with Joseph Stalin, and I’d **marry ** Hillary, and start a move to get Bill Clinton back into office as a lifetime king, only if he were advised by the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderburgers, with life and death power over all of the United States, before I’d vote for McCain. He is one of the few politicians that actually make my skin crawl. (Please, let’s have 50 Jimmy Carter’s before one McCain.)
Did McCain do anything other than get captured by the enemy, and somehow parlay that into a political career?
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You make him sound like Ted Kennedy at the 1980 Democratic national convention; on and on and on and on and on… with no real payoff.
Except for the fact that “no real payoff” is an epiphany compared to when McCain speaks. And, let’s be real, you only had five ‘ons’ and one set of the *ad infinitum * periods at the end of your post.
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