# John McCain: Swift Boating looks good on Obama

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mccain-swift-boating-looks-good-on-obama/454895>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [July 1, 2008, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mccain-swift-boating-looks-good-on-obama/454895 "2008-07-01T13:37:10Z")\
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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mccain-swift-boating-looks-good-on-obama/454895/41 "2008-07-01T19:52:24Z")

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Say, did you guys know that Bush was against the surge?

[http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/01/pfotenhauer-bush-surge/](http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/01/pfotenhauer-bush-surge/)

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> …When Senator McCain challenged the current strategy on the ground in Iraq, and was pushing for the surge, alongside Gen. Petraeus, this was incredibly unpopular here in Washington. It was particularly unpopular with President Bush. And he did it because that’s what he felt was right on the ground and he put the interests of the country first…

Well, how about that? Learn something new every damn day, huh?

(Link goes to Think Progress, which is reporting on something on MSNBC, so a strictly corrrect link isn’t quite possible. Shields Up advisory.)

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mccain-swift-boating-looks-good-on-obama/454895/42 "2008-07-01T21:38:37Z")

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[QUOTE=Mr. Moto]  
Kerry was proud of his antiwar activities, but even he had to understand that these may have had effects beyond what he sought at the time. Was this worthy of debate, especially in a presidential race? You bet. Was Bud Day worthy to make this argument? Well, he was there at the time and had to maintain order and morale in the camp - his opinion was worth listening to.  
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His opinion about what? That John Kerry perjured himself before Congress? That John Kerry was complicit by his statements in the deaths and murders of American soldiers and POWs? That John Kerry was an insurrectionist and traitor? John Kerry’s statements were about his own experiences. Bud Day was not there to know one way or the other, and certainly not to level those kinds of accusations. His opinions about them are worthless.

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**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\
**Post date:** [July 1, 2008, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-mccain-swift-boating-looks-good-on-obama/454895/43 "2008-07-01T23:25:36Z")

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[QUOTE=John Mace]  
Look at it this way. Every dollar they give to McCain is a dollar they can’t use in a 527 to smear Obama.  
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Yep, McCain can use their money for _good works._

This is reminiscent of the argument Ron Paul used when explaining why he wouldn’t return a donation from the founder of Stormfront. 🙂

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