# John Stamos' Left Ear, you're a fucking idiot **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949 "2012-06-03T16:52:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/41 "2012-06-04T06:43:24Z")
**John Stamos’s Appendage** , the point is that RNATB is not talking about what she thinks the law _should be_, she’s talking about what she thinks the law _currently is_. You seem to be confusing the two. I can think that Evil Act X is bad, and simultaneously think that it is currently allowed by law. Similarly, I can think that Decent Act B is good, and simultaneously think that is is currently prohibited by law. These are not contradictions. You seem to be the one living in a fantasy. Reality is not dictated by what you want, or what you think _should_ be the case. Reality and what you want are often separate. In RNATB’s case, she _wants_ abortion to be legal everywhere. But her opinion of _reality_ is that the Constitution does not guarantee that. You are apparently upset at her because she does not think reality conforms to what she wants. EDIT: Or maybe RNATB is a guy, I can’t keep track. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/42 "2012-06-04T06:46:18Z")
> [@Lord\_Mondegreen](#): > > He’s not advocating anything. He simply feels the SCOTUS made a mistake in law. He’s probably pleased they did so. He is advocating a pro choice position, apparently, isn’t he? One can think that the SOCAS made a mistake in law and that the states, if that mistake was rectified, should not make a second mistake and remove abortion rights even though they would then have the power to do just that. But to claim to hold those views while simultaneously claiming to be in favor of choice seems silly to me because the world doesn’t work that way. Incidentally, this is the past post I shall make in this forum, probably. If someone cannot be civil, they’re not worth my time. I was able to disagree without having to take it to a forum where I could come right up to the “don’t be a jerk” line. Reasonable people can disagree. Unreasonable people cannot handle it and start Pit threads, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Mondegreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/91b2a8/32.png) [@Lord\_Mondegreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Mondegreen)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/43 "2012-06-04T07:05:53Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > He is advocating a pro choice position, apparently, isn’t he? If you must resort to such a nitpick, yes. Clearly I meant that he was not advocating a reversal of Roe vs Wade. > [@](#): > > One can think that the SOCAS made a mistake in law and that the states, if that mistake was rectified, should not make a second mistake and remove abortion rights even though they would then have the power to do just that. > > But to claim to hold those views while simultaneously claiming to be in favor of choice seems silly to me because the world doesn’t work that way. I respectfully disagree, and thought my analogy showed a much less contraversial example (although interstate rugby league rivalries in Australia tend to be debated much more hotly than abortion law). ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/44 "2012-06-04T11:38:36Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > He is advocating a pro choice position, apparently, isn’t he? > > One can think that the SOCAS made a mistake in law and that the states, if that mistake was rectified, should not make a second mistake and remove abortion rights even though they would then have the power to do just that. > > But to claim to hold those views while simultaneously claiming to be in favor of choice seems silly to me because the world doesn’t work that way. > > Incidentally, this is the past post I shall make in this forum, probably. If someone cannot be civil, they’re not worth my time. I was able to disagree without having to take it to a forum where I could come right up to the “don’t be a jerk” line. Reasonable people can disagree. Unreasonable people cannot handle it and start Pit threads, I guess. Let me tell you what my position is, so maybe you can take this form a clean slate for what it is. I am absolutely, positively believe that abortion should be legal - that people _should_ have the right to get one. I absolutely, positively believe that it should be legal in every state. I absolutely, positively think that if Roe v. Wade was overturned, then states would individually ban abortion - I don’t know how many - but maybe a lot. I would absolutely, positively hate to see that happen - I think legislating morals on other people is really stupid. I absolutely, positively think Roe v Wade is shit law. It’s poorly reasoned and based on a relatively flimsy framework. A lot of people disagree, and that’s fine - but the merits of the case really have nothing to do with this argument anyway - my belief is what it is. Would I like to see Roe overturned? Basically no - but in a perfect world, yes - I would like to see Roe overturned and replaced with an an actual constitutional right guaranteeing the right reproductive and sexual privacy. Then the right to abortion could be hung on something better than that shoddily written thing. In this imperfect world, I’d just like to see the Amendment so we don’t have to keep having people try to challenge and circumvent Roe - we could skip the whole overturning Roe and admitting that that argument is weak, but whatever. Since even that is unlikely, however - I sure as hell won’t urge for Roe to be overturned because the effects would suck, but I could never defend it while being intellectually honest, because it’s just poorly reasoned, IMO. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/45 "2012-06-04T12:04:12Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I hadn’t until recently. His join date is 2005, but he’s been a thread startin’ fool of late. I suspect he’s been quietly studying **BrainGlutton** all these years. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/46 "2012-06-04T12:04:36Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Incidentally, this is the past post I shall make in this forum, probably. Assuming you mean “last post”, then that is a good idea. Put the shovel down, the hole is plenty deep. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/47 "2012-06-04T13:48:38Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > You never replied if you were a Rob Paul supporter (since this the Pit, I’ll just say a Paultard and get it over with) but his problems are the same as yours whether you do support the guy or not (and I suspect you do as this supposedly “intellectual” discussion is meaningless in the real world). Hey, numbnuts… Ron Paul is pro-life in the sense that he wants abortion to be illegal. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/48 "2012-06-04T14:00:12Z")
> [@Lord\_Mondegreen](#): > > He’s not advocating anything. He simply feels the SCOTUS made a mistake in law. He’s probably pleased they did so. This. I think abortion rights are a hallmark of a modern democratic society. It doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t prefer to have them protected by an explicit constitutional amendment (or amendments to every state constitution, not that _that_ will ever happen) than by judicial fiat. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/49 "2012-06-04T14:39:42Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > He is advocating a pro choice position, apparently, isn’t he? > > One can think that the SOCAS made a mistake in law and that the states, if that mistake was rectified, should not make a second mistake and remove abortion rights even though they would then have the power to do just that. > > But to claim to hold those views while simultaneously claiming to be in favor of choice seems silly to me because the world doesn’t work that way. > > Incidentally, this is the past post I shall make in this forum, probably. If someone cannot be civil, they’re not worth my time. I was able to disagree without having to take it to a forum where I could come right up to the “don’t be a jerk” line. Reasonable people can disagree. Unreasonable people cannot handle it and start Pit threads, I guess. It’s a calm, confident display of very poor reasoning skills. That’s **John\_Stamos’\_Left\_Ear** in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/50 "2012-06-04T14:42:35Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > It’s a calm, confident display of very poor reasoning skills. > > That’s **John\_Stamos’\_Left\_Ear** in a nutshell. Just to be clear, you are referencing the poster and not the celebrities’ aural appendage, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/51 "2012-06-04T14:45:39Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Just to be clear, you are referencing the poster and not the celebrities’ aural appendage, correct? That reminds me of the book **Mason and Dixon** by Pynchon in which they see the actual Jenkin’s Ear preserved in a jar. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/52 "2012-06-04T15:01:08Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > One can think that the SOCAS made a mistake in law Just to clarify, this should be SCOTUS, right? Or am I missing some point about separation of church and state here? ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/53 "2012-06-04T15:02:00Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > I think I was fairly clear; maybe you don’t comprehend it. > > If states have the right to prohibit it, THEY WILL PROHIBIT IT. Not all, but many. Enough. This is a fact. > > If you feel this is okay, that’s lovely. Really, even though I (and the Supreme Court) disagree, feel free to feel that way. However I feel that it’s silly to claim to be pro choice when you advocate for a position that will remove choice assuredly. > > The issue - which you have yet to actually respond to - is you seem to live in a fantasy world where ideals trump reality. You have ideals that abortion should be legal, but also have ideals that the states should be allowed to make that decision individually, but you also feel that folks in Mississippi or any one of several dozen other states should share your ideals. They should be allowed to prohibit abortion. They just shouldn’t actually do it. > > And that’s a fantasy world. Maybe an ideal one, maybe arguably a better one than the one we got, but still one that doesn’t exist. > > You never replied if you were a Rob Paul supporter (since this the Pit, I’ll just say a Paultard and get it over with) but his problems are the same as yours whether you do support the guy or not (and I suspect you do as this supposedly “intellectual” discussion is meaningless in the real world). > > I realize that the real world with real people can be a scary place. Maybe someday you will be able to feel more comfortable in it. But it’s all we got. And theoretical excercises won’t change that. Wow! This has the potential to be the stupidest post of the week… but it’s only Monday. I can’t decide whether \*\*JSLE \*\*is a troll or are they really that dense. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/54 "2012-06-04T16:09:43Z")
I think JSLE has performed a great public service. It is very rare that a pittee comes in and gives a perfected example of why they deserve to be Pitted. Save a lot time following links. I nominate him for the Curlcoat Memorial Pit Award. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/55 "2012-06-04T16:36:46Z")
Someone should call John Stamos and tell him that we have his left ear in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/56 "2012-06-04T17:21:55Z")
ISTM that people are misunderstanding JSLE. He’s not saying that RNATB is being logically inconsistent. He’s just saying that the position being advocated by RNATB is not properly described as “pro-choice”. That’s all. So all these attempts to explain why RNATB is being logically consistent are missing the point. Now personally, I think there is close to zero significance in whether RNATB’s position is properly described as “pro-choice” or not. But some people put a lot of stock in these semantic issues. These people are misguided, IMO. But that’s their issue. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/57 "2012-06-04T17:40:46Z")
_shrug_ If he thinks he’s the ultimate arbiter of who is pro-choice and who isn’t, he’s still a fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/58 "2012-06-04T18:30:02Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I figure the left ear is the one that Rebecca liked to nibble on, which I, at least, would find profoundly distracting. But this has embittered his right ear with envy, turning it into a tea-partying, ‘pro-life’ Republican. This leads to great confusion in **John\_Stamos’\_Head**. ---
**Author:** ![Makeitstop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@Makeitstop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Makeitstop)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/59 "2012-06-04T18:50:05Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > _shrug_ If he thinks he’s the ultimate arbiter of who is pro-choice and who isn’t, he’s still a fucking idiot. Amen. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949/60 "2012-06-04T18:59:53Z")
> [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](#): > > Reasonable people can disagree. Unreasonable people cannot handle it and start Pit threads, I guess. You think you’re the reasonable party in this exchange? That’s very unfortunate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/john-stamos-left-ear-youre-a-fucking-idiot/623949.md?page=4)