# JohnClay is a sinner! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 9, 2015, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051 "2015-06-09T08:25:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/1 "2015-06-09T08:25:46Z")
Here’s the latest mundane pointless thing that I must share… For a long time now one of the problems I’ve had with accepting Christianity is that I didn’t feel like I was a sinner… I felt that I was ok - that I was a bit flawed but didn’t need saving. Some Christians tell me that it is about needing help to do something that you can’t do yourself. Well lately I’ve been getting into a lot of debt. I have been investing in something that I expected to make a big profit on on eBay. Today I got emails from PayPal saying that my payments were declined. Luckily my Dad loaned me another $500. So anyway I originally took out $1000 from an account that some people are using to pay their car loan back to my wife. Then today I took another $200 out of that (with $75 remaining). I’m also meant to pay in the $75 loan repayment from last Thursday but I haven’t got around to that yet. I told my wife about the initial $1000 (and also told her that I was considering to not tell her since she probably would have never found out). Due to internet problems my dad didn’t put money into my account straight away. When I rang him up a few hours later he said the money should show up in the account tomorrow. So in a way I’m happy with how things are going since it means that I’m feeling like I actually need to be saved. And if hell is real it’s good to be able to be saved. BTW last Sunday the pastor showed a video that said that homosexuality was just another sin like greed and that greed was mentioned by Jesus 10 times more than adultery. I think the problem I’ve been having is basically greed. I felt that I could earn many times back my investment. I think it is very likely I’ll at least break even though selling all of the things I’ve bought would take months if I wanted to maximize my profits. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/2 "2015-06-09T09:17:20Z")
You stole from your wife? Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/3 "2015-06-09T09:30:15Z")
He did say he’s a sinner. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/4 "2015-06-09T09:37:17Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > You stole from your wife? Nice. The car loan account is with my bank. The plan was that when it reached $2500 it would be transferred to one of my wife’s accounts. I didn’t really steal because I definitely plan on repaying it. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/5 "2015-06-09T09:41:22Z")
I think there are deeper problems here than “sin”. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/6 "2015-06-09T09:48:29Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > You stole from your wife? Nice. Dunno what kind of arrangement JC has, but this would be kind of impossible for me. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/7 "2015-06-09T09:51:00Z")
Me: I’m just talking about bible things Wife: At least you’re not talking about me Me: 😮 ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/8 "2015-06-09T09:52:38Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Today I got emails from PayPal saying that my payments were declined. > > * * * > > BTW last Sunday the pastor showed a video that said that homosexuality was just another sin like greed and that greed was mentioned by Jesus 10 times more than adultery. > > I think the problem I’ve been having is basically greed. I felt that I could earn many times back my investment. I think it is very likely I’ll at least break even though selling all of the things I’ve bought would take months if I wanted to maximize my profits. What do you mean the payments were declined? I use paypal extensively in business and all I can guess is that you tried to make payments using a bank account linked to paypal and the ACH did not go through due to lack of funds. Why in the name of glob do you go to a church showing crap like that? ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/9 "2015-06-09T09:53:13Z")
We never got joint accounts. My wife has saved more than $50,000. I told her recently that it’s good I don’t have access to it ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/10 "2015-06-09T09:53:59Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Me: I’m just talking about bible things > > Wife: At least you’re not talking about me > > Me: 😮 Heh. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/11 "2015-06-09T09:57:59Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > We never got joint accounts. My wife has saved more than $50,000. I told her recently that it’s good I don’t have access to it You guys really should talk about this, like for serious. Like sit down with her right now, and show her this thread. Explain your plan for profiting on ebay, explain to her everything you have told us. If she has 50 grand saved and you’re begging money off your dad something is really odd there, unless you two have previously agreed to not mingle finances. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/12 "2015-06-09T10:35:18Z")
> [@grude](#): > > You guys really should talk about this, like for serious. Like sit down with her right now, and show her this thread. Explain your plan for profiting on ebay, explain to her everything you have told us. She already knows about my plan for eBay. I’ve told a lot of people. So far the bidding has got to about US$8 and I need more than US$20 to break even. The $1000 was quite a shock for her. I don’t want to tell her I’ve secretly borrowed another $700. I guess it is like people who cheat that think it is better to keep it a secret even though they might stop cheating in the future. > [@](#): > > If she has 50 grand saved and you’re begging money off your dad something is really odd there, unless you two have previously agreed to not mingle finances. I think her savings should be for important things that we both agree to - e.g. travelling overseas - or for a deposit on a house. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/13 "2015-06-09T10:39:22Z")
> [@grude](#): > > What do you mean the payments were declined? I use paypal extensively in business and all I can guess is that you tried to make payments using a bank account linked to paypal and the ACH did not go through due to lack of funds. Yes there is a bank account linked to it (as well as a Visa debit card) and it tried to get the funds for a $100+ payment from my bank account. > [@](#): > > Why in the name of glob do you go to a church showing crap like that? Well lately the services were supposed to be in a Q & A format - that’s why I originally started to attend that church - a few years ago I could ask questions about hell and science and they’d answer. About the most recent service: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18421660&postcount=270](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18421660&postcount=270) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/14 "2015-06-09T10:48:08Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > I didn’t really steal because I definitely plan on repaying it. I’m sometimes a little short on cash–would you might posting your bank details, so I can withdraw money from your account next time this happens? I’ll definitely plan on repaying it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/15 "2015-06-09T10:49:33Z")
My dad is a bit like Jesus/God. Since I hadn’t received an email reply I assumed that when I rang him up he would get angry. My mum answered and she said my dad would ring me back. Then he was nice when I talked to him. The start of his email reply: > [@](#): > > Sorry, I took a while as I had computer problems > Love Dad Then he had detailed details of the transaction. It was like he gave his life (money) for me out of love rather than pointing out my problems in anger. Ideally he wouldn’t ask for it back though. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/16 "2015-06-09T10:50:57Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m sometimes a little short on cash–would you might posting your bank details, so I can withdraw money from your account next time this happens? I’ll definitely plan on repaying it. Two of my housemates also borrow money from me I don’t have enough money to loan to others as well… ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/17 "2015-06-09T13:44:02Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > My dad is a bit like Jesus/God. [QUOTE=JohnClay’s Day / God] Sorry, I took a while as I had computer problems [/QUOTE] I hope this is exactly what God says upon his resurrection here on Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/18 "2015-06-09T14:59:55Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Two of my housemates also borrow money from me I don’t have enough money to loan to others as well… No worries–just post your bank information, and I’ll borrow it before they have a chance to do so, or even before you might accidentally take money out of your account. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/19 "2015-06-09T15:26:21Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](#): > > I hope this is exactly what God says upon his resurrection here on Earth. “Yeah, I’d have been back sooner, but I had to download some new drivers. Hope y’all like Linux.” ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/20 "2015-06-09T16:18:43Z")
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