# JohnClay is a sinner! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 9, 2015, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051 "2015-06-09T08:25:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/41 "2015-06-10T05:58:09Z")
Can you at least say whether it is old toys, sports, movie, or some other type of collectible? ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/42 "2015-06-10T05:59:37Z")
It is toy related ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/43 "2015-06-10T06:34:07Z")
> [@Tibby or Not Tibby](#): > > Cite! She won’t tell me and she asked why I wanted to know… somehow I avoided answering that question. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/44 "2015-06-10T08:04:24Z")
When I think of the sin of greed I think about “Mr Toot” (by “What does the fox say?” creators Ylvis) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ASywAfBAVrQ/maxresdefault.jpg "Ylvis - Mr. Toot [Official music video HD]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASywAfBAVrQ) ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/45 "2015-06-10T09:21:36Z")
I mean she won’t tell me if she is DD… Or D… ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/46 "2015-06-10T11:32:06Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > More competition means lower prices for the public and lower profits for me and that would make it harder to repay my debts. First, they’re not debts. You took money under false pretenses. Second, you have no control over the competition. If you’re offering something for sale everyone can see. People who know what they’re doing are going to respond quicker than you can. I wish you well, but it appears that you’re in over your head and it appears that things won’t turn out well for you. Bad business decisions are one thing - anyone can make them and they really don’t reflect badly on you. Not being honest, taking money without telling someone and attempting to keep them in the dark until you can come up with the money you took is pretty low, and not something that nice people do. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/47 "2015-06-10T19:00:33Z")
It’s nice to see these threads come through every few months. I always enjoy watching a new generation be exposed to John. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/48 "2015-06-10T19:06:48Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > It is toy related Is it Beanie Babies? I bet it’s Beanie Babies. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/49 "2015-06-10T19:31:20Z")
Okay. Look at the amount of time you’ve spent so far on this enterprise, and your total profit so far after paying off your, um, investors. What’s your hourly earnings so far? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/50 "2015-06-10T21:03:21Z")
I’m not sure why people are so harsh with the OP. His “sins” seem quite minor to me, and the damages quite limited ($ 1000 on a failed venture…it’s not like he lost the house gambling at a casino). Discovering that you are neither the infallible genius nor the perfect husband you thought you were, at a relatively small cost for yourself and others, is a very useful (maybe necessary) humbling experience. It’s likely to make you a better, less judgemental and more realist person. For my part, I wish the OP well. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/51 "2015-06-10T21:06:23Z")
Minor? I love my wife dearly, but if I discovered she was sneaking into my bank account in order to withdraw money to finance a speculative business venture, and considering not telling me about it–man, that would be some major marriage trouble right there. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/52 "2015-06-10T21:10:47Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I’m not sure why people are so harsh with the OP. His “sins” seem quite minor to me, and the damages quite limited ($ 1000 on a failed venture…it’s not like he lost the house gambling at a casino). > > Discovering that you are neither the infallible genius nor the perfect husband you thought you were, at a relatively small cost for yourself and others, is a very useful (maybe necessary) humbling experience. It’s likely to make you a better, less judgemental and more realist person. > For my part, I wish the OP well. Helping yourself to your wife’s bank account to fund a scheme Homer Simpson would disdain as imbecilic isn’t a minor peccadillo, it’s a serious breach of trust. It isn’t the amount, it’s that he didn’t tell her he took it, and thought he could cleverly sneak it back. That’s deceitful. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/53 "2015-06-10T23:42:06Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > I’m not sure why people are so harsh with the OP. His “sins” seem quite minor to me, and the damages quite limited ($ 1000 on a failed venture…it’s not like he lost the house gambling at a casino). > > Discovering that you are neither the infallible genius nor the perfect husband you thought you were, at a relatively small cost for yourself and others, is a very useful (maybe necessary) humbling experience. It’s likely to make you a better, less judgemental and more realist person. > For my part, I wish the OP well. > [@Penfeather](#): > > Helping yourself to your wife’s bank account to fund a scheme Homer Simpson would disdain as imbecilic isn’t a minor peccadillo, it’s a serious breach of trust. It isn’t the amount, it’s that he didn’t tell her he took it, and thought he could cleverly sneak it back. That’s deceitful. Indeed. **JohnClay** has been hospitalized for mania, as he revealed in this thread, and in another one said that he suffers from mental illness (bipolar disorder or schizophrenia, I cannot remember). That is in no way a moral failure or a choice, nor should he be punished for it. But it does mean that he may - stress _may_ - be in the throes of a manic episode, and if so, his judgment may - again, may - be impaired. So far it sounds like the amounts he’s taken are fairly low, but again, if he’s in a manic upswing, he’s simply not in control. And he has unquestionably stolen from his wife. **JohnClay** , I’ve said some snarky things about you in the past. But I am pulling for you, man. I really am. Please, listen to the advice of the SDMB and talk to your wife. Get another perspective on this money-making scheme of yours. Even if you’re in full control of your thinking, it doesn’t hurt to get another opinion. And fess up to Mrs. Clay, for the sake of your marriage. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/54 "2015-06-11T03:21:39Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > I think my wife’s breasts are DD. They are whoppers. Pictures and we can confirm or deny for you. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/55 "2015-06-11T04:05:17Z")
Thanks for being harsh critics. Like back sliding Christians I have been starting to think I don’t really have a problem. Though I find it hard to agree that I’ve been stealing from my wife. She only would be getting the car loan of $2500 paid into her account in many months time when our housemates have finished paying it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/56 "2015-06-11T04:23:42Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Minor? I love my wife dearly, but if I discovered she was sneaking into my bank account in order to withdraw money to finance a speculative business venture, and considering not telling me about it–man, that would be some major marriage trouble right there. The account is only in my name but even if it was a joint account some spouses might spend some of the money without always asking. And I am planning on putting it back so that implies an even lesser need to tell them. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/57 "2015-06-11T06:39:37Z")
What denomination is the church you are visiting? ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/58 "2015-06-11T06:50:00Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > What denomination is the church you are visiting? “Community Church of Christ” ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/59 "2015-06-11T07:20:04Z")
I just gotta say the whole “I was going to pay it back.” is a common motif among embezzlers. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051/60 "2015-06-11T07:32:58Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I just gotta say the whole “I was going to pay it back.” is a common motif among embezzlers. I only used the money for buying the collectables and they can be easily sold. (The hard part is maximising the selling price) I’ll probably use the money I get for them to build up my bank balance and then repay the $1700. Hopefully I won’t buy any more. I might though if it is super cheap compared to the selling price. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-is-a-sinner/722051.md?page=4)