# JohnClay, you are acting like an idiot. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214 "2016-08-09T01:51:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/61 "2016-08-09T22:10:38Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > I didn’t mean to imply that I’m still sensitive to insults. BTW it was only when I got to uni that I can remember being insulted. I had led a sheltered life. In case it wasn’t clear, no one in this thread gives a crap. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/62 "2016-08-09T23:22:45Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Thank you, [Mr. Wolfcastle](http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg). Whoosh. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/63 "2016-08-10T10:30:33Z")
I was visiting Youtube and at the top of the front page it had the following suggestion: “9/11 Experiments: The Force Behind the Motion” by “physicsandreason”. It is produced by Jonathan H. Cole, PE (“professional” engineer). 2365 thumbs up, 100 thumbs down. It says “The **smooth** downward motion of the upper floors in the towers” weren’t explained in the official investigation… He “investigates” the “pancake collapse” and the “pile driver collapse” models using physical models with a few dozen floors. Here he “proves” that the “pancake collapse” theory “is WRONG!” [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TJNzaMRsN00/hqdefault.jpg "9/11 Experiments: The Force Behind the Motion") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&t=6m40s) I guess that’s why NIST apparently said themselves that they don’t support the pancake theory. Then he can’t find proper evidence for the pile driver theory… “What about fire?” [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TJNzaMRsN00/hqdefault.jpg "9/11 Experiments: The Force Behind the Motion") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&t=9m32s) He set his little model on fire to try and “replicate” the fires seen in the WTC towers… but it wasn’t quite the same so therefore the pile driver theory and fires aren’t a suitable explanation… Next… “the controlled demolition theory”…! Then he placed firecrackers on **each floor** and used a fuse to set them all off. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TJNzaMRsN00/hqdefault.jpg "9/11 Experiments: The Force Behind the Motion") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&t=10m52s) They exploded all over the place. While “not perfect, it looked like I was starting to replicate the motions we observed in the twin towers”. He tried various fuse lengths… [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TJNzaMRsN00/hqdefault.jpg "9/11 Experiments: The Force Behind the Motion") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&t=11m49s) “The problem was I was using basic fuses and firecrackers which are very difficult to time and control. But if I had remote controlled wireless detonators I think I could replicate the motions I saw.” Some firefighters or something saying “it was as if they had detonators”! [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TJNzaMRsN00/hqdefault.jpg "9/11 Experiments: The Force Behind the Motion") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&t=12m19s) “…so they must have used very powerful explosives” The motion from his 2 initial experiments didn’t match the motions of the tower so “therefore it’s wrong”. “Yet my demolition experiment did”. “…mainstream media have been lying about 9/11 all along” “they hid behind their curtain of lies using complex math and computer simulations **rather than real experiments** ” “no one can make a simple experiment that can demonstrate the official force behind the motion” Then a quote from Richard P. Feynman: > [@](#): > > The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool. But nature cannot be fooled. So why haven’t any whistleblowers confirming that there were explosives on every floor coming forward? I guess for the same reason that no-one blew the whistle on the moon landing hoax - [because they’re scared of the retaliation](http://www1.ae911truth.org/news-section/41-articles/758-faq-12-where-are-the-911-whistleblowers.html) :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/64 "2016-08-10T11:10:41Z")
There is one troll and one retard in this thread. Can you guess who they are? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/65 "2016-08-10T11:47:31Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > I was visiting Youtube and at the top of the front page it had the following suggestion: > > “9/11 Experiments: The Force Behind the Motion” by “physicsandreason”. It is produced by Jonathan H. Cole, PE (“professional” engineer). 2365 thumbs up, 100 thumbs down. > > It says “The **smooth** downward motion of the upper floors in the towers” weren’t explained in the official investigation… > > He “investigates” the “pancake collapse” and the “pile driver collapse” models using physical models with a few dozen floors. > > Here he “proves” that the “pancake collapse” theory “is WRONG!” > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&feature=youtu.be&t=6m40s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&feature=youtu.be&t=6m40s) > I guess that’s why NIST apparently said themselves that they don’t support the pancake theory. > > Then he can’t find proper evidence for the pile driver theory… > > “What about fire?” > [https://youtu.be/TJNzaMRsN00?t=9m32s](https://youtu.be/TJNzaMRsN00?t=9m32s) > He set his little model on fire to try and “replicate” the fires seen in the WTC towers… but it wasn’t quite the same so therefore the pile driver theory and fires aren’t a suitable explanation… > > Next… “the controlled demolition theory”…! > > Then he placed firecrackers on **each floor** and used a fuse to set them all off. > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&feature=youtu.be&t=10m52s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&feature=youtu.be&t=10m52s) > They exploded all over the place. While “not perfect, it looked like I was starting to replicate the motions we observed in the twin towers”. > > He tried various fuse lengths… > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&feature=youtu.be&t=11m49s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&feature=youtu.be&t=11m49s) > > “The problem was I was using basic fuses and firecrackers which are very difficult to time and control. But if I had remote controlled wireless detonators I think I could replicate the motions I saw.” > > Some firefighters or something saying “it was as if they had detonators”! > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&feature=youtu.be&t=12m19s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJNzaMRsN00&feature=youtu.be&t=12m19s) > > “…so they must have used very powerful explosives” > > The motion from his 2 initial experiments didn’t match the motions of the tower so “therefore it’s wrong”. “Yet my demolition experiment did”. > > “…mainstream media have been lying about 9/11 all along” > > “they hid behind their curtain of lies using complex math and computer simulations **rather than real experiments** ” > > “no one can make a simple experiment that can demonstrate the official force behind the motion” So the argument is that because he can’t replicate the effects of two massive fuel-lader airplanes colliding with really tall towers, that proves that 9/11 is a hoax rather than the fact that he’s crap at simulations? > [@](#): > > So why haven’t any whistleblowers confirming that there were explosives on every floor coming forward? I guess for the same reason that no-one blew the whistle on the moon landing hoax - [because they’re scared of the retaliation](http://www1.ae911truth.org/news-section/41-articles/758-faq-12-where-are-the-911-whistleblowers.html) :dubious: Hey, I’ve just had a text from William of Ockham. He suggests a the rather more obvious reason no whistleblowers have come forward: because both “hoaxes” are bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/66 "2016-08-10T11:57:59Z")
Jesus Fucking Christ, **JohnClay**! - you really have become an exhausting cretin. Why can’t you just shut the fuck up and go sell crazy somewhere else? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/67 "2016-08-10T12:31:01Z")
So did Cole try flying model planes into his model towers? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/68 "2016-08-10T12:35:12Z")
Why continue to encourage the delusional? ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/69 "2016-08-10T13:17:42Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Why continue to encourage the delusional? It beats solitaire. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/70 "2016-08-10T13:22:52Z")
I might add, JohnClay, that Cole’s displaying all the classic characteristics of a [disinformation agent](http://www.wanttoknow.info/g/disinformation-agents). Watch out for those. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/71 "2016-08-10T14:31:44Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Jesus Fucking Christ, **JohnClay**! - you really have become an exhausting cretin. Why can’t you just shut the fuck up and go sell crazy somewhere else? His other thread got locked. He HAS to get the truth out! ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/72 "2016-08-10T15:07:57Z")
> [@Duke\_of\_Rat](#): > > His other thread got locked. He HAS to get the truth out! He doesn’t care about any particular truth, be it 9/11 or his wild nutritional/exercise ideas. He just wants to be the center of attention. Any kind of attention. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214/73 "2016-08-10T16:45:17Z")
[Since the target of this is no longer available to respond](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=800950), I have closed it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnclay-you-are-acting-like-an-idiot/762214.md?page=3)