# Johnny Bravo's First Mafia Game Watch-Along Thread NO SPOILERS! \[FORBIDDEN TO LIVE PLAYERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 23, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581 "2015-10-23T22:14:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/181 "2015-11-23T19:58:24Z")
Can anyone join the “watch” thread? ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/182 "2015-11-23T19:59:55Z")
Strategic question: would it have been better if **IRConfused** had made a stronger push to lynch **Mahaloth** on Day 2, or would the risk of outing himself as the Cop have been too great? For experienced players: if you’re the Cop, and you catch scum on Night 1, how do you play it? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/183 "2015-11-23T20:18:22Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > Can anyone join the “watch” thread? Yes, UNLESS you are actively playing the Game that is being watched. Nonparticipants and dead players area both allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/184 "2015-11-23T20:52:33Z")
> [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > Strategic question: would it have been better if **IRConfused** had made a stronger push to lynch **Mahaloth** on Day 2, or would the risk of outing himself as the Cop have been too great? For experienced players: if you’re the Cop, and you catch scum on Night 1, how do you play it? That’s the real trick, isn’t it? Like avoiding Imperial entanglements. Let’s look at it this way. A cop is worth at a minimum 1 townie, because they’re town. Because they’re unique among the town(in most games), they have a bigger value. I’d argue they’re more valuable than a single wolf. I think their value goes up the larger the game gets. In large games they have two functions, 1 - find wolves, 2 - create a known good townie bloc. In large games the second function is arguably more important. In a six-seven player game I’d trade a cop for a wolf pretty much 1-1. In a 15-20 player game it’s tougher, depends on if we have masons or not. Without masons, probably 1 wolf and 2 townies(3 if you count the cop themselves). That’s what happened here although it wasn’t a wolf the town didn’t know about yet. A confirmed bloc is very powerful and puts a lot of pressure on the remaining wolves to work together to direct a mislynch, and that makes them easier to find. Without masons I’d probably try to have a wolf and three confirmed townies(4 if you count the cop). So **IRConfused** did it pretty much like I would, although I would probably have waited one more night and would have claimed earlier in the day so we could have the time to put the non-confirmed townies under the third degree treatment for the rest of the day instead of getting a sloppy last-minute lynch. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/185 "2015-11-23T21:19:46Z")
Awesome. Very glad about the scum kill and exactly what I would have advised if alive. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/186 "2015-11-23T21:35:09Z")
There was no way they could leave me alive. I don’t think anyone thought that I had made a false claim. I did consider waiting one more day to get another investigation in, but I think it would have been harder to convince people that I was for real. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/187 "2015-11-23T21:52:25Z")
So, anyone want to discuss the merits of an active Cop vs. a lurking Cop? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/188 "2015-11-23T22:10:44Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > I’m putting my money on **Suburban Plankton** and **HookerChemical**. At last! Someone agrees with me. Hooker must be the alpha wolf. If they lynch non-alpha Suburban toDay, leaving the alpha alive, the cop results are pretty much thrown out the window. That’s a big advantage for the remaining alpha wolf, and worth the bus imo. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/189 "2015-11-23T22:23:26Z")
I had Hooker actually typed into my PM for my 3rd investigation but changed it at the last second. ---
**Author:** ![Sario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sario/32/18580_2.png) [@Sario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sario)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/190 "2015-11-24T04:59:23Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > I don’t trust anyone who comes out of a RL weekend night phase with a detailed _j’accuse_ post already in the hopper like **HookerChemical** did today. But since **Suburban Plankton** blew up my scum-o-meter last week I may be wrong. I’ve found that it’s actually a fairly common event. Players spend their Night re-reading and analyzing, so its a natural follow-up to go ahead a prepare a detailed post for Daybreak. Of course if the target of your post dies during the night you’re back to square one, but that’s the risk you take. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/191 "2015-11-24T17:52:51Z")
So the question has been raised about what went wrong on the last lynch. I have to say that it was \*\*Biotop \*\*that enabled it. He is complaining that **Suburban Plankton** did not get lynched but he could have made sure of it by not going off and voting **Octarine**. That gave **Suburban Plankton** the out he needed to get the rest of us onboard against someone else. My guess is the last two wolves are \*\*Biotop \*\* and **Suburban Plankton**. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/192 "2015-11-24T18:16:11Z")
If anyone would like to be spoiled or even ask if their guesses are correct, please feel free to pm me and I’ll answer your questions. I know who scum are, obviously. Anything else, I’m in the dark on. I can give you a yes or no if you prefer or I can just tell you. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/193 "2015-11-24T23:01:51Z")
At this point, I’m fine seeing it play out in-game, but I appreciate the offer. I’ll stay unspoiled for now. One of Hooker and Biotop (I say Biotop) is scum. I’m certain of that. I still like Dante as the second scum, but I’ll admit I haven’t been following the game very closely since my demise. I would not be surprised to see SP flip scum. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/194 "2015-11-24T23:06:18Z")
So… no one suspects DeadCat? ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/195 "2015-11-25T00:46:01Z")
On the fence about DC , Subub and bio ping me more. I lean a little more town on Dante although that’s based on my theory of who killed me. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/196 "2015-11-25T00:49:43Z")
I am looking for the voting record analysis to see who represents the votes most disingenuously. By this point the voting record should give some ideas , be interesting to see who comes up with what . ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/197 "2015-11-25T21:54:38Z")
Happy Thanksgiving to All from the Wolves! Aroooooo! ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/198 "2015-11-25T22:14:43Z")
> [@Trouble in Paradise (Mafia Game Thread)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/720): > > Day Three is the weird Mahaloth lynch. Dead Cat, snfaulkner, and I (HookerChemical) voted Mahaloth pre-confession. Biotop joined after. I interpret this as townie for the pre-confession votes and neutral for the votes after the confession. It’s possible that the timing was intended to give cover to a scum voting, but three votes came in very quickly (3 posts apart, roughly 20 minutes) and they were led off by a known townie, so a scum conspiracy to lynch scum looks unlikely. Strangely, Dante and SP didn’t vote Mahaloth despite the confession. This is so weird, it’s hard to say whether it’s scummy or not. Ha! Is this what you were looking for PcM? ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/199 "2015-11-27T22:00:50Z")
Happy thanksgiving(Not celebrating, cultural reasons). ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/200 "2015-11-28T13:46:40Z")
I’d think \*\*Biotop \*\*would vote **Hooker** , if only to get some kind of reaction. Many of the Days votes seem to have stayed on an early candidate, stagnating discussion. Very few votes have gone contrary to popular opinion. I don’t think it’s a good sign for everyone to agree so much as they have this game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581.md?page=11)