# Johnny Bravo's First Mafia Game Watch-Along Thread NO SPOILERS! \[FORBIDDEN TO LIVE PLAYERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 23, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581 "2015-10-23T22:14:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/241 "2015-12-03T17:16:21Z")
Hmmm, right now I have no idea… I’ve had less and less of an idea each subsequent Day, it feels. I like your idea for **snfaulkner** , **sachertorte** , switching vote from player to player to get a reaction. I’m not sure how effective it would be, but I’d love to see it anyway. I think players have been a bit complacent this game, I’d like to see something more confrontational during the end game. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/242 "2015-12-03T17:56:30Z")
Tactically, I think it was good for snfaulker to step back at the beginning of the day and let the three unconfirmed players have it out. But once they had settled into their votes, it was time for snfaulkner to step in. As the only confirmed Town in the game, snfaulkner should be the one to decide who ultimately gets lynched. This is why I agree with HookerChemical. DeadCat’s switch is poorly motivated and hugely opportunistic for scum. It’s an attempt to take away the decision from snfaulker and let DeadCat decide who gets lynched. That’s terrible for Town! snfaulker needs to choose. Hopefully he won’t be unduly swayed by there being two votes on HookerChemical. One of those could be scum! ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/243 "2015-12-03T18:26:55Z")
Thanks, that actually makes sense. I haven’t been able to follow closely as of late. It was wise to not join this game. vote **Bio Chemical Cat** Yeah, I think snfaulkner needs to decide and place a vote. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/244 "2015-12-03T18:30:05Z")
Forgot that there was a bit of temprature in the game thread. **Dead Cat** got a bit catty, understandable considering the circumstances. I still think it points to something though, so maybe you’re right **sachertorte**. Snip > [@Trouble in Paradise (Mafia Game Thread)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trouble-in-paradise-mafia-game-thread/735585/790): > > It’s just my style, I guess I rather arrogantly thought I had enough townie cred to ‘carry the day’ and ensure I wasn’t mislynched. Haha, now I \*hope \*you’re right! ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/245 "2015-12-03T19:22:28Z")
There are three townies in the game. Why are we assuming **snfaulkner** is the right person to make this call? Just because he’s confirmed town? Sure he is, but why does that improve his judgement? It does mean he’s not actively trying to deceive us, but that doesn’t make him Solomon or anything. Two of the three others are town as well(unless **JohnnyBravo** is an evil mod[sup]TM[/sup]) and they’re slinging analysis all over the place. Why is their judgment objectively worse than **snfaulkner’s**? Because we, the unspoiled onlookers, don’t know which one of them to trust? **Biotop** , **Dead Cat** , and **HookerChemical** are all making some pretty detailed cases at each other. Why should the two remaining townies(whoever they are) hang back and abdicate their judgment in favor of **snfaulkner**? He’s the one guaranteed(from our point of view) to not have a hidden agenda, but from each of those townies point of view they KNOW MORE THAN HE DOES because he only knows his status and they know his AND THEIRS. **Biotop** (if town), knows the scum is either **Dead Cat** or **HookerChemical**. Even if he just flipped a coin, he’s 50/50. This is true of the other townie(whoever they are) as well. Either of the other two townies has a 50/50 shot of being right about the final wolf. **snfaulkner** is 33/67. I’d argue that this game should be decided by anyone OTHER THAN **snfaulkner**. It gives you better odds of finding the wolf. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/246 "2015-12-03T19:27:33Z")
I haven’t been keeping up. Has anyone gone back to review Suburban’s posts now that we know he is scum? Aren’t there some of his posts that make Hooker look like scum? ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/247 "2015-12-03T19:27:41Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Thanks, that actually makes sense. I haven’t been able to follow closely as of late. It was wise to not join this game. > > vote **Bio Chemical Cat** > > Yeah, I think snfaulkner needs to decide and place a vote. The remaining players do have some fun names to scramble up, don’t they? Vote **Top Dead Hooker**! Vote **Dead Bio Hooker**! Vote **Chemical Top Cat**! Vote **Top Cat Hooker**! Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/248 "2015-12-03T19:56:16Z")
Okay, to explain my dilemma about settling on a candidate: Both of the candidates that seem most likely scum to me are **Dead Cat** and **HookerChemical**. I’ve leaned town on **Dead Cat** most of the game, and I’ve been unsure about \*\*Hooker \*\*all game, but now I’m finding the case against **Dead Cat** pretty compelling. More than the case on **Hooker**. If \*\*Biotop \*\*is scum, he can have me for lunch next workDay. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/249 "2015-12-03T20:47:19Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > There are three townies in the game. Why are we assuming **snfaulkner** is the right person to make this call? Just because he’s confirmed town? Sure he is, but why does that improve his judgement? It does mean he’s not actively trying to deceive us, but that doesn’t make him Solomon or anything. Two of the three others are town as well(unless **JohnnyBravo** is an evil mod[sup]TM[/sup]) and they’re slinging analysis all over the place. Why is their judgment objectively worse than **snfaulkner’s**? Because we, the unspoiled onlookers, don’t know which one of them to trust? > > **Biotop** , **Dead Cat** , and **HookerChemical** are all making some pretty detailed cases at each other. Why should the two remaining townies(whoever they are) hang back and abdicate their judgment in favor of **snfaulkner**? He’s the one guaranteed(from our point of view) to not have a hidden agenda, but from each of those townies point of view they KNOW MORE THAN HE DOES because he only knows his status and they know his AND THEIRS. > > **Biotop** (if town), knows the scum is either **Dead Cat** or **HookerChemical**. Even if he just flipped a coin, he’s 50/50. This is true of the other townie(whoever they are) as well. Either of the other two townies has a 50/50 shot of being right about the final wolf. **snfaulkner** is 33/67. > > I’d argue that this game should be decided by anyone OTHER THAN **snfaulkner**. It gives you better odds of finding the wolf. > > Enjoy, > Steven Because if either of the two unknown townies is wrong, then the lynch will be wrong. While it is true that a Townie Biotop has a 50-50 shot at picking the correct lynch and snfaulkner only has a 33% shot at being right, _the other townie also has to be correct_. If we play math, then that’s a 25% shot at both townies being right, which is less than snfaulker. At least, that’s how I’m looking at the situation. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/250 "2015-12-03T20:59:58Z")
Another point about HookerChemical is I disagree with the general sentiment that Hooker Chemical’s defense or lack of support for ‘the case’ against Professor P is somehow and indicator of scumminess. I find it more likely that a townie would accidentally defend scum than actual scum intentionally defending scum. On the flip side, I also put less stock on Biotop’s vote against Prof P early in the game. It’s a good point for him, but I feel it is being overly weighted. It’s easy to pick out scum when you already know who they are. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/251 "2015-12-03T21:06:01Z")
To be honest, I couldn’t care less for the math in this situation. \*\*snfaulkner \*\*is a confirmed town, and thus you can eliminate him from the equation. A free vote, who can hopefully stay close to objective, when deciding who among the bratty kids made a shit in the feeding tray, metaphorically speaking. He’s Mr. Susan, and he’s to do the choosin’. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/252 "2015-12-03T21:13:27Z")
Things seem to get pretty snarly at the end. I was leaning **Dead Cat** , but now I’m leaning **Hooker**. I think. 🙂 The names are a fun scramble. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/253 "2015-12-03T22:08:10Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Another point about HookerChemical is I disagree with the general sentiment that Hooker Chemical’s defense or lack of support for ‘the case’ against Professor P is somehow and indicator of scumminess. I find it more likely that a townie would accidentally defend scum than actual scum intentionally defending scum. > > On the flip side, I also put less stock on Biotop’s vote against Prof P early in the game. It’s a good point for him, but I feel it is being overly weighted. It’s easy to pick out scum when you already know who they are. But the point is that he never actually _defended_ Prof P. Like Mahaloth, he just said that he didn’t see the case on him. He did use a chainsaw defense on Dead Cat. So he did protect Prof P indirectly, by attacking his attacker. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/254 "2015-12-03T22:17:35Z")
I knew I remembered Suburban doing something to make me think he was scum! Suburban did defend Hooker in post [584](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18863007&postcount=584). At least he went as far as to say that he was not scum just cause I said he was. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/255 "2015-12-04T01:59:06Z")
At this point, I’d probably vote for **Dead Cat**. But if I were **snfaulkner** , by now I’d have proclaimed myself King of Town and demanded that everyone else unvote. He could do that, and it would probably work. However, he doesn’t seem very power-hungry. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/256 "2015-12-04T14:12:09Z")
Well, \*\*Biotop \*\*is not the wolf. All he needed to do was to switch his vote to **Dead Cat** as soon as \*\*snfaulkner \*\*voted and the hammer rule would have gone into effect and **Dead Cat** would have been lynched. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/257 "2015-12-04T14:18:55Z")
It’s got to be **Dead Cat**. Now he is trying to figure out how to stop \*\*Biotop \*\*from switching at the last minute. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/258 "2015-12-04T14:22:28Z")
The hammer rule is not instant. The votes have to be there for 24 consecutive hours. Since **snfaulkner** voted with less than 24 hours left in the Day, the hammer rule is moot. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/259 "2015-12-04T14:25:46Z")
Interesting idea that Dead Cat had for extending the Day. I hate last minute voting because it seems I’m never around when it’s going on. **This game is ending today, right?** We don’t really need to wait to see who Hooker NKs, just do the two coin flips. ---
**Author:** ![IRConfused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/76d3ee/32.png) [@IRConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IRConfused)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/260 "2015-12-04T14:33:14Z")
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