# Johnny Bravo's First Mafia Game Watch-Along Thread NO SPOILERS! \[FORBIDDEN TO LIVE PLAYERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 23, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581 "2015-10-23T22:14:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/121 "2015-11-16T02:57:02Z")
Wow they have been. I thought Texcat had been keeping a low profile . Welcome Texcat and obviously we are all unspoilered here so please don’t mention who you targeted for your second shot , if you took it. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/122 "2015-11-16T02:58:59Z")
I should have killed Hooker night one. I even considered it. :o I’m guessing Suburban for the fourth scum. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/123 "2015-11-16T03:02:22Z")
No one here knew whose theory that was that the person pointing out the P IS was more likely scum? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/124 "2015-11-16T03:05:20Z")
Leaving me alive was the only thing that would have had a chance to convince me that Hooker wasn’t scum. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/125 "2015-11-16T03:07:35Z")
Nope , probably not a great theory. I am still thinking Dante. Malahoth was heavily on the defense of Dante and they were in lockstep up until Malahoth was on the lynch train. Pretty sure octarine is in the clear , so suburban is a good possibility as well. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/126 "2015-11-16T03:10:45Z")
Honestly I am a bit mystified by hookers day one quotation about who the detective should investigate . Can’t see scum going for such an obvious attempt to flush. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/127 "2015-11-16T03:31:52Z")
Yeah. Rah. Go Wolves. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/128 "2015-11-16T12:55:45Z")
I wonder if the detective will reveal today. Assuming we have a detective. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/129 "2015-11-16T14:17:48Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > No one here knew whose theory that was that the person pointing out the P IS was more likely scum? No. News to me. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/130 "2015-11-16T16:31:26Z")
Suburban sure is looking more like the 4th scum, causing confusion and subtly protecting Hooker. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/131 "2015-11-16T16:49:57Z")
It was **Drain Bead**! > [@Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/814): > > Maybe it’s just that when I’ve seen townies accused of PIS, it’s often done by a Scum trying to take advantage of something that can be construed as a “slip” by others. See my suspicion of…shit, who was it…amrussell? In Colorless? Scum will try to latch onto stuff like that, because it is a lot easier than actually making a real case against someone. > [@Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/847): > > So I looked it up, and the results are quite illuminating. The specific game in which I supposedly displayed perfect information was Pleonast’s Mini-Munchkin Mafia > If you want to read the whole thing, My “slip” gets pointed out in [post #107](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=506331&page=3). > > The summary: > > - I, sachertorte (Town), imply that storyteller and Squid are Town, when I should not know this. (They turn out to be, but I didn’t know this, yet my statements imply that I do). (Somewhere on Page 2) > - sinjin (Scum) points out the slip, but merely states “concern” in post #107. > - I acknowledge the slip, state that I don’t know that storyteller and squid are Town, but I think that they are. I also explain my statement a bit more. > - Mostly ignored. > - sinjin (Scum) repeats the accusation, wondering why no one else cares. in post #131. > - Cookies (Town) wonders what the fuss is all about, not even remembering the exchange even happened. > - ShadowFacts (Town) links to the post. > - Hockey Monkey (Scum) repeats the accusation and labels it PIS. > - Cookies (Town) relates similar beatings she endured on Day One for statements. Acknowledges that sachertorte should be under watch, but nothing more at this time. > - Chucara (Scum) “sachertorte is really pinging me” > - It gets dropped for a while > - sinjin (Scum) votes for sachertorte post #200 > > I stopped reading there. I also recall that at some point in that game storyteller poo-poos the entire PIS meme. > The result? **Drain Bead** has justification in her assertion that scum are more likely to latch onto instances of apparent, though totally incorrect, perfect information displays. My only concern is that if a scummy Rysto thought he could get Ed lynched based on PIS, why would scum kill Ed? If Ed were alive Today, would anyone question Rysto had he pushed for Ed’s lynch on the same reasoning? I wouldn’t have. > > Those who are voting for Drain Bead, could you explain your vote? Is it the Mason thing? > [@Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/966): > > Yes you were. The name is misleading, but its the one by Pleonast that had a D&D feel to it. You were a Druid of some sort that could blow items into the Hoard. > > I would not consider the case against Rysto “meta.” > Drain Bead has asserted that scum are more likely to hang the PIS bogeyman on Townies. > I fact checked this assertion. I found it to be true. > Therefore I feel Drain Bead’s case against Rysto has merit. i.e., Rysto attacked Ed with a PIS attack. Scum like using PIS attacks. Therefore, Rysto is more likely to be scum. > [@Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/994): > > I thought I’d done this earlier but I’ve just realised I hadn’t: > > **vote Spawn** > > Also, gods help me, I’ve just run a quick search on “Perfect Information Syndrome” mainly in the interests of cutting short yet another sach vs story dispute. I certainly don’t intend to track down every single PIS vote, but the first one I looked at was from Lost, when Zeriel was picked up on PIS and turned out to be scum (and the person who picked it up was town). So it can be a legitimate means of finding scum, as well as a scum tactic for placing a vote. > > On a more general note, I’m pretty sure that the reason we have an acronym for PIS is because it’s a behaviour that was observed in the wild and classified, not an esoteric theory that sprang into being with no empirical evidence. That it \*may \*now have evolved into a tool used more by scum than town is just further proof of how splendid and complex a game Mafia is. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/132 "2015-11-16T18:29:40Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > No one here knew whose theory that was that the person pointing out the P IS was more likely scum? Oh sorry. I meant so say something, but it wasn’t going to be helpful, just a “I remember that happening, but not when.” I was even involved with the discussion, but I don’t remember it. I think I’m getting old. (but I can’t be sure 😃 ) ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/133 "2015-11-16T19:57:55Z")
**Hooker** has now claimed that “WF Tomba died fingering Dante.” I don’t remember that! I remember casting suspicion on **Dante** a couple of times, but I cast suspicion on a lot of people. When I made my list of players, I put **Dante** in the Neutral category. I died with my vote on **snfaulkner**. **Hooker** is either misremembering or intentionally distorting my record. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/134 "2015-11-16T22:05:39Z")
There comes a point in Mafia/werewolf where you have to question why certain people are still alive. Biotop and Hooker have both reached that point for me. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/135 "2015-11-16T23:01:35Z")
Hooker is scum. What I want to know is where is the cop? They should have 3 results now. It’s time to claim! ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/136 "2015-11-16T23:17:38Z")
yeah coming around to that thinking and probably Dante is in the clear although that’s based on what I now am pretty certain of what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/137 "2015-11-16T23:19:02Z")
the cop probably investigated you, astral and WTF ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/138 "2015-11-16T23:41:18Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > There comes a point in Mafia/werewolf where you have to question why certain people are still alive. Biotop and Hooker have both reached that point for me. I’ve been suspicious of Biotop for a while now, but it was entirely based on his change in gameplay. Previously he was seriously engrossed with the game. Many posts; very very long and detailed posts; but now he’s much lighter and posting more excuses. There are a few long posts, but I got the feeling that he was going through the motions because he sort of had to. I didn’t think it was fair to think Biotop was scum simply based on that. The truth is he needs to pace himself so it was entirely possible that he was trying to balance life and online games. But your point on his not-dead-yet-ness is a good one and combined with his change in gameplay makes a good case that he is scum. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/139 "2015-11-17T02:59:13Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > There comes a point in Mafia/werewolf where you have to question why certain people are still alive. Biotop and Hooker have both reached that point for me. Yes but scum have only had 3 kills and you and Texcat were higher on the list , so probably s bit early to question why they are still alive . If Bio is town, scum would have had a hard time up until to paint him as scum for a lynch , they probably didn’t have him as a power role , if he is town , so you snd Rex were higher up the list ,he may well die in the next few nights. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581/140 "2015-11-17T03:04:32Z")
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