# Johnny Bravo's First Mafia Game Watch-Along Thread NO SPOILERS! \[FORBIDDEN TO LIVE PLAYERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [October 23, 2015, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581 "2015-10-23T22:14:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 131
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It was **Drain Bead**! > [@Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/814): > > Maybe it’s just that when I’ve seen townies accused of PIS, it’s often done by a Scum trying to take advantage of something that can be construed as a “slip” by others. See my suspicion of…shit, who was it…amrussell? In Colorless? Scum will try to latch onto stuff like that, because it is a lot easier than actually making a real case against someone. > [@Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/847): > > So I looked it up, and the results are quite illuminating. The specific game in which I supposedly displayed perfect information was Pleonast’s Mini-Munchkin Mafia > If you want to read the whole thing, My “slip” gets pointed out in [post #107](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=506331&page=3). > > The summary: > > - I, sachertorte (Town), imply that storyteller and Squid are Town, when I should not know this. (They turn out to be, but I didn’t know this, yet my statements imply that I do). (Somewhere on Page 2) > - sinjin (Scum) points out the slip, but merely states “concern” in post #107. > - I acknowledge the slip, state that I don’t know that storyteller and squid are Town, but I think that they are. I also explain my statement a bit more. > - Mostly ignored. > - sinjin (Scum) repeats the accusation, wondering why no one else cares. in post #131. > - Cookies (Town) wonders what the fuss is all about, not even remembering the exchange even happened. > - ShadowFacts (Town) links to the post. > - Hockey Monkey (Scum) repeats the accusation and labels it PIS. > - Cookies (Town) relates similar beatings she endured on Day One for statements. Acknowledges that sachertorte should be under watch, but nothing more at this time. > - Chucara (Scum) “sachertorte is really pinging me” > - It gets dropped for a while > - sinjin (Scum) votes for sachertorte post #200 > > I stopped reading there. I also recall that at some point in that game storyteller poo-poos the entire PIS meme. > The result? **Drain Bead** has justification in her assertion that scum are more likely to latch onto instances of apparent, though totally incorrect, perfect information displays. My only concern is that if a scummy Rysto thought he could get Ed lynched based on PIS, why would scum kill Ed? If Ed were alive Today, would anyone question Rysto had he pushed for Ed’s lynch on the same reasoning? I wouldn’t have. > > Those who are voting for Drain Bead, could you explain your vote? Is it the Mason thing? > [@Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/966): > > Yes you were. The name is misleading, but its the one by Pleonast that had a D&D feel to it. You were a Druid of some sort that could blow items into the Hoard. > > I would not consider the case against Rysto “meta.” > Drain Bead has asserted that scum are more likely to hang the PIS bogeyman on Townies. > I fact checked this assertion. I found it to be true. > Therefore I feel Drain Bead’s case against Rysto has merit. i.e., Rysto attacked Ed with a PIS attack. Scum like using PIS attacks. Therefore, Rysto is more likely to be scum. > [@Scum mafia: On Cecil pond \[Game Over\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/scum-mafia-on-cecil-pond-game-over/526202/994): > > I thought I’d done this earlier but I’ve just realised I hadn’t: > > **vote Spawn** > > Also, gods help me, I’ve just run a quick search on “Perfect Information Syndrome” mainly in the interests of cutting short yet another sach vs story dispute. I certainly don’t intend to track down every single PIS vote, but the first one I looked at was from Lost, when Zeriel was picked up on PIS and turned out to be scum (and the person who picked it up was town). So it can be a legitimate means of finding scum, as well as a scum tactic for placing a vote. > > On a more general note, I’m pretty sure that the reason we have an acronym for PIS is because it’s a behaviour that was observed in the wild and classified, not an esoteric theory that sprang into being with no empirical evidence. That it \*may \*now have evolved into a tool used more by scum than town is just further proof of how splendid and complex a game Mafia is. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-bravos-first-mafia-game-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/735581)._