# Johnny Hildo's banning reason **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 15, 2007, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-hildos-banning-reason/415693 "2007-08-15T14:44:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-hildos-banning-reason/415693/81 "2007-08-16T20:11:41Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] Where did I say he’d get free service? He’d get his money and a nice door mark on his backside! [/QUOTE] That’d be the place where you said to give him a full refund. Since he’s already used the boards for a couple months, giving him a full refund is the same as letting him use the boards for free for that time period. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-hildos-banning-reason/415693/82 "2007-08-16T20:12:42Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] Where did I say he’d get free service? He’d get his money and a nice door mark on his backside! [/QUOTE] What he means is, if you refund the 15 small, the “service” he’s received to date is free. Unless you’d like the Board to start not just offering refunds but prorating them at the rate of four cents a day. ---
**Author:** ![DudleyGarrett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d9b06d/32.png) [@DudleyGarrett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DudleyGarrett)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-hildos-banning-reason/415693/83 "2007-08-16T20:24:39Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] What he means is, if you refund the 15 small, the “service” he’s received to date is free. Unless you’d like the Board to start not just offering refunds but prorating them at the rate of four cents a day. [/QUOTE] That would be fine too. What you have to weigh here: How much is this guy going to be a pain in my ass? What am I willing to part with to just make him go away? If I gave him his $15 back, would he continue harassing me? Likely not. I’m not saying it should be a habit, and with great service, it most certainly wouldn’t be anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-hildos-banning-reason/415693/84 "2007-08-16T20:58:06Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] That would be fine too. What you have to weigh here: How much is this guy going to be a pain in my ass? What am I willing to part with to just make him go away? If I gave him his $15 back, would he continue harassing me? Likely not. I’m not saying it should be a habit, and with great service, it most certainly wouldn’t be anyway. [/QUOTE] Are you kidding me? Do you seriously think the Reader should be contemplating pro rata refunds? I have no more inside info than you, and I feel confident saying that there is _nobody_ on the working end of this endeavor that gives enough of a shit for that to happen. To even dream, much less expect, that such a thing would ever occur is unreasonable bordering on delusional. It’s 15 measly bucks. Anyone who pays it does so knowing there are some performance issues if they’ve bothered to lurk which, to avoid buying the proverbial pig in a poke, they should have. And anyone who pays it knows they can be tossed out ass-first at any time, because they are told so. You post, and you refrain from being a jerk. Threatening to sue the establishment constitutes being a jerk. If you’re banned, you lose your money. If you walk away in disgust, you lose your money. Barring a complete long-term Board crash, they are NEVER going to give you back your 15 bucks and anyone who thinks they will, or even thinks they should, is a fool. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-hildos-banning-reason/415693/85 "2007-08-16T22:06:53Z")
Just for a spark of reality: it is onbly $15. The cost of calculating the amount of a refund, authorizing, getting approval, searching to find the form of original payment (PayPal, Visa, Mastercare, etc) and then crediting the pro-rata amoung… well, even if that takes half an hour of someone’s time, it’s more than the $15. ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2007, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-hildos-banning-reason/415693/86 "2007-08-16T22:15:19Z")
I fail to see the point of all the winging. **Hildo** ’s treatment is absolutely in line with others whom have made similar threats. It’s precidented. It’s provided for in the terms, conditions, and rules. It’s not a mystery. I have my beefs with the system and rules, but _this_ isn’t one of them… Just as you can get tossed out of a club for poor behavior, without refund of the cover charge, so was **Johnny H** tossed from _this_ club for poor behavior, cover charge not refunded. Shake heads, move on folks. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2007, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-hildos-banning-reason/415693/87 "2007-08-17T02:56:48Z")
[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett] That would be fine too. What you have to weigh here: How much is this guy going to be a pain in my ass? What am I willing to part with to just make him go away? If I gave him his $15 back, would he continue harassing me? Likely not. I’m not saying it should be a habit, and with great service, it most certainly wouldn’t be anyway. [/QUOTE] Do you work in anything involving customer or client-service? Because this is completely at odds with my experience. The clients who get the most worked up over minor details and jump fastest to harassing or insulting people are the ones who are most likely to never go away when you give them what they want. They’re the ones who keep coming back with even bigger demands further and further removed from rational reality. Maybe they can act like adults in normal society, but whenever they get into a relationship in which they feel (rightly or wrongly) that they are entitled to something, they immediately turn into overgrown spoiled children who will never be satisfied. For some reason they never seem to understand that a business agreement involves cooperation by both sides, rather than just “I gave you money so I own you now.” Paying them off in the hopes that they will leave works about as well as giving your lunch money to the school bully “just this once” in the hopes that he’ll never bother you again. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2007, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-hildos-banning-reason/415693/88 "2007-08-17T03:28:58Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] :dubious: Not sure what “benevolence” has to do with anything. [/QUOTE] Brief aside: when I reign over the Earth as an evil tyrant, this is exactly the slogan I want on my t-shirt… ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2007, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-hildos-banning-reason/415693/89 "2007-08-20T14:44:38Z")
[QUOTE=Uzi] > [@](#): > > Sublight > I buy a ticket at the cinema. Once inside the theater, I pitch a fit because I think there are too many previews and I start urging all the other moviegoers to do whatever they can to hurt the theater management. Am I owed a refund after I’m tossed out? I dunno. You tell me? Previews are part of the price nowdays. If the film kept breaking do you think the person should get their money back? [/QUOTE] Well, honestly, time-outs and pages not loading \*are \*part of the experience here. I’m not happy that they are, but they are, the same way frequent outages is part of my VoiP line, and insane bus drivers are part of living in Chicago. It’s my choice to pay for the services that, although they could theoretically be better, are good enough for what I’m willing to pay. If \*\*Hildo \*\*(or anyone else) used their guest membership, they’d easily see at least a dozen comments about time-outs in their one month trial, as well as see the Administrator and Moderator responses to such complaints. _Caveat Emptor_ and you get what you pay for after that. This board has what this board has, and that’s what we pay for - the loading speed at 4chan is really irrelevant. Just because it could be better doesn’t mean it has to. Back when projectors burned hotter and projectionists were skilled workers, it was indeed expected that when you when to went to the theaters, there was a very good chance that the film would break and you’d have to sit around guzzling Pepsi while they fixed the film. If it was up to me, if the film could be fixed in a reasonable amount of time (5-10 minutes, perhaps), then no, you wouldn’t really be justified in a refund. People are not entitled to a flawless experience, because that’s now how the universe works. They are entitled to have someone sympathetic at least hear their story and make an attempt at an equitable settlement, but McDonald’s isn’t required to change their business model because some asshat demands a medium rare burger made of Kobe beef. They are McDonald’s, not a fine steak house. This is The Straight Dope Message Board, not a real-time surgical uplink. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/johnny-hildos-banning-reason/415693.md?page=4)