# Join me in boycotting CBS becasue everybody DOESN'T love Raymond
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 3, 2004, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215 "2004-08-03T23:27:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Chastain86](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chastain86)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/21 "2004-08-04T15:42:34Z")
As long as we’re wishing, maybe we should retitle it as:
_Everybody Would Like Raymond to Stop Making Movies Like “Welcome to Mooseport”_
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### Author:  [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/22 "2004-08-04T15:44:58Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> I’ll also add that, when the show first premiered, I saw Ray Romano on the Conan O’Brian show, talking about how much he hated the title, too. IIRC, he said that everytime he hears it, it makes him want to go out and stomp on a kitten.
Really? I love him for that. Oh, wait… :smack:
Actually I think Miller had it right the first time (the one before the one quoted…if yoy follow me). Everybody on the show is an asshole. I’d be a bitch too if I were married to a passive aggressive twerp.
It was watching this show that made me realize how many sitcoms in general are made up of truely horrible people who are somehow portayed to be the salt of the earth.
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### Author:  [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/23 "2004-08-04T17:27:41Z")
_Opinions on Raymond are Mixed, At Best_
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### Author:  [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/24 "2004-08-04T17:57:06Z")
_Everyone Would Love It If Raymond’s Wife Would Just Give Him Some Sex For A Change_
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### Author:  [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/25 "2004-08-04T18:04:09Z")
> [@Chastain86](#):
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> As long as we’re wishing, maybe we should retitle it as:
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> _Everybody Would Like Raymond to Stop Making Movies Like “Welcome to Mooseport”_
In a moment of Idiocy, I rented this streaming pile. I got through maybe 15-20 minutes, before I had to stop or barf up my lunch. The millennium is still young, but this is a _Mooseport_ is a contender for worst movie of it.
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### Author:  [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/26 "2004-08-04T18:06:12Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#):
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> _Everyone Would Love It If Raymond’s Wife Would Just Give Him Some Sex For A Change_
Make that "Everyone except Raymond’s wife…
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### Author:  [@Amok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amok)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/27 "2004-08-04T18:13:19Z")
I don’t know about you, but I didn’t love Lucy either.
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### Author:  [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/28 "2004-08-04T18:19:08Z")
> [@Abbie Carmichael](#):
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> Another suggestion for a name:
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> _Everybody Loves Raymond But Thinks His Wife Is A Bitch_
_…with horrible posture_.
((It’s small and petty of me, but every time I’ve watched the show, I’ve wanted to scream at her “Stand Up Straight!”))
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### Author:  [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/29 "2004-08-04T18:23:50Z")
Ellen Degeneres said she wanted to title her show, “Not Everybody Loves Raymond”.
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### Author:  [@Agrippina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agrippina)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/30 "2004-08-04T18:33:35Z")
I don’t like Deborah because she seems to be ultra-sensitive to the lamest of comments. Ray tells a lame joke, and Deborah has to pout for the entire day over something incredibly stupid or because she can’t get her way. Deborah seems to think her husband is a moron, yet why does she get so riled up when he says something stupid? Who cares! Get on with your life!
And Frank just annoys the hell out of me. He’s a world class asshole and he gets away with it because “that’s his way”. And anytime anybody stands up to him, he brings out his old “DON’T TALK TO ME THAT WAY, BECAUSE I WAS IN THE KOREAN WAR” bit until someone apologizes. And then he laughs, happy that he could manipulate his family members once again.
The only likeable character is Robert. The show should be called _Everybody Knows That One Day Robert Will Take a Shotgun and Kill His Family_.
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/31 "2004-08-04T18:34:44Z")
> [@Amok](#):
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> I don’t know about you, but I didn’t love Lucy either.
**Amok!** My brother! I thought I was the only one who dared speak such heresy! You are not alone in your hatred of the Red-Haired Evil. Be strong.
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### Author:  [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/32 "2004-08-04T18:34:47Z")
Put me down for _who the fuck watches this show, and why haven’t you killed yourself?_
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### Author:  [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/33 "2004-08-04T18:46:17Z")
Since this festering pile always seems to be poking at the top of the ratings, I’m thinking _Everybody Seems To Love Watching A Houseful Of Moronic Fucktards And Screeching Harpies Yell At Each Other For 22 Minutes. Damn, People, You Really Find This Crap Funny?_ would be fair.
And kudos to **silenus** and **Amok**. I fucking hated Lucy’s screechy, unfunny guts.
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### Author:  [@Bongmaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bongmaster)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/34 "2004-08-04T19:13:56Z")
> [@Miller](#):
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> I always figured that the “Everybody” in the title referred to the other characters in the show, not the television audience. Sort of like how they called it “Friends,” even though not a single one of the characters in the show was remotely likable.
That’s why they were so good for each other, no one else would be able to stand them, especially Feebee (sp?).
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### Author:  [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/35 "2004-08-04T19:34:10Z")
I used to think I loved Raymond but then someone knocked the Brain Slug off my head and I got better.
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### Author:  [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/36 "2004-08-04T22:44:48Z")
I watched a handful of episodes before I realized I _hated_ it. The episode that pushed me over the line featured Raymond _whining_, and I mean big-time whining, because his wife was insisting that he take the children to the park on a Saturday. He had promised that he would do it, and now he didn’t feel like it, and he was whining trying to get out of it. Out of taking his own progeny to the park. Whining. Whining so he could break his promise.
And yet the viewing public thinks his wife is a bitch? Raymond’s the bitch.
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### Author:  [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/37 "2004-08-04T23:07:47Z")
I’ve touched a wellspring of emotion that I didn’t expect.
I’m on the _Raymond’s such a friggin’ whiner that whever he gets he deserves, and if his wife’s a bitch it’s because of his lazy ass_ side.
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### Author:  [@Agrippina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Agrippina)
#### Post date: [August 4, 2004, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/38 "2004-08-04T23:58:42Z")
While we’re also talking about Lucy:
I Don’t Mind Lucy, but I certainly don’t love her and I certainly don’t see why she’s so revered by every TV show countdown or list. She’s always at the top of the funniest comediennes. Actually, I’ve read that she was quite a humorless woman in real life.
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### Author:  [@Mbossa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mbossa)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/39 "2004-08-05T00:31:06Z")
Raymond’s wife is hot
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### Author:  [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)
#### Post date: [August 5, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/40 "2004-08-05T00:50:48Z")
I don’t love _Lucy_ either. She was as Whiny as Raymond, as bitchy as Debra.
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