# Join me in boycotting CBS becasue everybody DOESN'T love Raymond
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 3, 2004, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215 "2004-08-03T23:27:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 14
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### Author:  [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2004, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/61 "2004-08-06T00:13:24Z")
I have always just refered to this show as “I Don’t”.
Or perhaps Ray could be convicted of something and sent to prison. Then the show could be called “Everybody (in cell block d) REALLY loves Raymond”.
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### Author:  [@SlickRoenick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlickRoenick)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2004, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/62 "2004-08-06T00:28:57Z")
My family loves the show, i’m the only one who hates it and the characters. Ray is an idiot and his stand up isn’t that good. His wife is a bitch. His brother is a Nose-Talking Frankenstein. His parents are cool though b/c they are mean, but not bitch-wife mean. The kids don’t serve any purpose on this show.
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### Author:  [@bughunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bughunter)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2004, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/63 "2004-08-06T00:40:22Z")
No, no, the correct phrasing would be _Everybody Does Raymond_.
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### Author:  [@messiah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/messiah)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2004, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/64 "2004-08-06T01:03:27Z")
I don’t mind Raymond, but I can’t stand his brother, whatshisname, big doofers, too much in touch with his feminine side, sucking up to the chicks, etc. I was so happy when he got shafted by the Photo shoot con.
And I don’t like Lucy, trying to be so arty, with all them black and white sequences.
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### Author:  [@NothingMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NothingMan)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2004, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/65 "2004-08-06T01:07:03Z")
[QUOTE=Philster]
_Everybody Loves the Dumb White Middle American Husband Who is Always Dumber than his Bitch Wife._
[QUOTE]
This is brilliant _Phil_. I’d swear its a secret network formula, hidden in the depths of the CBS building under lock and key.
What with todays sitcoms I would like to add two words to your title :
_Everybody Loves the Dumb White Middle American Husband Who is Always Dumber than his **Very Hot** Bitch Wife._
None of these idiot guys would end up with women that smokin’ in real life.
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### Author:  [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2004, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/66 "2004-08-06T01:35:33Z")
> [@Abbie Carmichael](#):
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> Ain’t that the truth, Philster. Can anyone name one smart, on-the-ball husband on TV that is respected by his wife and kids?
In **King of the Hill** Hank is the level-headed one where his wife is…how do I say this…crazy and his friends are idiots. He is a normal person, except for his love for propane and propane accessories (excessories? I don’t know).
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### Author:  [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2004, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/67 "2004-08-06T02:38:26Z")
I think this show is, like most sitcoms, totally stupid and inane. Inexplicably, one of my coworkers LOVES it. She’s also quite a lot older than me (I’m 26, she’s old enough to be my mom) and any discussion about family life leads to her making condescending remarks about how I don’t know what I’m talking about and I’ll change my mind eventually. ie, she was shocked when I told her that if my hypothetical husband didn’t help raise the hypothetical kids, I’d hypothetically divorce him. Also, I’d have to cook my husband meat because men don’t like vegetarian diets. My remark that any meat my husband would want would have to be prepared by him just causes her to laugh and shake her head at my innocence.
Anyway, once she brought up this stupid show as an example of _realistic family life_. The power stuggles! The arguments! She couldn’t believe that I didn’t like it, and insisted that I must not have seen a good episode. THAT’S WHAT FAMILY LIFE IS LIKE!
Well, excuse me. I may not be married and have kids, but I didn’t grow up in a vacuum. No freaking sitcom - especially this retarded one - is in any way similar to real life and if I do ever get married and have kids and it turns out to at all resemble Raymond’s life, I’ll be forced to commit hara-kiri.
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### Author:  [@Chastain86](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chastain86)
#### Post date: [August 6, 2004, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/68 "2004-08-06T15:09:36Z")
> [@Kyla](#):
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> I think this show is, like most sitcoms, totally stupid and inane. Inexplicably, one of my coworkers LOVES it. She’s also quite a lot older than me (I’m 26, she’s old enough to be my mom) and any discussion about family life leads to her making condescending remarks about how I don’t know what I’m talking about and I’ll change my mind eventually. ie, she was shocked when I told her that if my hypothetical husband didn’t help raise the hypothetical kids, I’d hypothetically divorce him. Also, I’d have to cook my husband meat because men don’t like vegetarian diets. My remark that any meat my husband would want would have to be prepared by him just causes her to laugh and shake her head at my innocence.
I’d have told this woman to take a hypothetical long walk off a short pier a long time ago.
I just love people that think their way is the only way, and if you don’t agree, well, **you** must be wrong. :rolleyes:
> [@vibrotronica](#):
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> _Opinions on Raymond are Mixed, At Best_
This had me in stitches. Then I told Mrs. Chastain, and she started cracking up. Good form.
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### Author:  [@wolfstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfstu)
#### Post date: [August 8, 2004, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/69 "2004-08-08T21:16:54Z")
Hello. You may have heard of me. I’m Raymond.
No, not the one Everybody Loves… or the one who has a TV show. No, I’m the one who gets to hear:
“Hello, I’m Paul.”
“Hi, I’m Raymond.”
“Oh, like _Everybody Loves Raymond_. Heh heh.”
“Yeah, just like that…”
No, I’m shy, geeky Raymond who hung out in the library in high school and was definitely _not_ the object of everyone’s love… but whose parents insisted on watching that inane sitcom all the time.
I thought the show would help… but no, people… TV LIED. Everybody doesn’t love Raymond.
These days I introduce myself by my last name.
(Okay, so it wasn’t all that bad. 🙂 It was worse than that Far Side cartoon with the duck, though. Actually, reading this thread has been sort of amusing.)
Oh, and:
> [@Trunk](#):
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> Everybody Loves Raymond, if Raymond is a code word for Oral Sex
Hey… I can’t tell if this is a good thing or a bad thing. 😃
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### Author:  [@omni-not](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/omni-not)
#### Post date: [August 9, 2004, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/70 "2004-08-09T02:08:43Z")
How about the other set of in-laws? Now, _they_ should have their own show! Cancel _Raymond_ and let them have a whack at it! 😃
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### Author:  [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)
#### Post date: [August 10, 2004, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/71 "2004-08-10T14:46:11Z")
> [@Boyo Jim](#):
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> I am simply tired of their damnable, oft-repeated lie. I myself am at best fond of him.
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> I will not buy from any more CBS sponsors until the series title is changed. Acceptable alternate titles include, but are not limited to:
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> \*Many Americans Love Raymond
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> Most Americans Feel Positively About Raymond
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> Everbody Has Heard of Raymond
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> Everybody Hates Raymond’s Whining
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> Many Americans Wouldn’t Twitch a Hoof Over Raymond\*
A-FUCKING-MEN!!!
If he caught on fire, I wouldn’t bother pissing on him to put it out.
(Hell, I’d probably be the one who struck the match)
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### Author:  [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)
#### Post date: [August 10, 2004, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/72 "2004-08-10T15:07:26Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#):
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> I haven’t seen the show in years, but it struck me over the course of the first several seasons that Deborah is the paragon of long-suffering and forbearance. _Every_ episode, Raymond does something incredibly thoughtless, selfish, and/or insulting to his wife, and _every_ episode, his mother (and sometimes father) pulls some manipulative, passive-agressive, humiliating power play on Deborah’s standing in her household (which Raymond naturally defends or stays neutral about), and Deborah has to deal with all this as well as raising the kids.
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> I’d be a “bitch” too if my husband was an unrelenting pussy and asshole almost every minute of every day. Every once in a while, Deborah would be humbled, but Raymond _never_ learns _anything_ about how to treat his wife better. He’s a jerkwad of the 1st degree. Hate the show and hate that its inexplicably popular (though I’m glad Brad Garrett wins awards because that way I can see him be hilarious accepting them without having to watch the show itself).
This is right on the money.
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### Author:  [@Abbie\_Carmichael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Abbie_Carmichael)
#### Post date: [August 10, 2004, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/73 "2004-08-10T23:42:11Z")
Most Americans Only Like Raymond As A Friend
Everybody Loves Raymond, Just Not In “That” Way
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### Author:  [@Dijon\_Warlock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dijon_Warlock)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2004, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-boycotting-cbs-becasue-everybody-doesnt-love-raymond/258215/74 "2004-08-12T00:18:44Z")
> [@Abbie Carmichael](#):
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> Ain’t that the truth, Philster. Can anyone name one smart, on-the-ball husband on TV that is respected by his wife and kids?
Gomez Addams.
Gomez rocked.
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