# Join me in wishing this man a slow and painful death **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 17, 2000, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649 "2000-11-17T20:38:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2000, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/61 "2000-11-18T21:00:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Crunchy Frog \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Snooooopy \* > > The test where the rabbits have cosmetics dropped in their eyes draws bloodthirsty outrage and wild declarations of love for Fido or Hoppy or some other pet; force-feeding rats thousands of times the dose of saccharin to see if it’ll cause cancer, well, that doesn’t. > > Now you have to see there’s a big difference there. One study is to test a product made for vanity, the other is a scientific expreriment to prolong life. I forget who said it, but I once heard a someone say, “Torturing an animal to see if my wife’s mascara clumps is wrong, but if hooking a monkey’s testicles up to a car battery will cure cancer in 10 years I got two things to say: The red is positive and the black is negative.” \*\* Oooh, oooh, I remember seeing that comedian, too, and his name is juuuust off the tip of my tongue. He kind of had a tough-talking delivery, if I recall. I guess I should also add that, if people do judge the worth of animals according to a cuteness standard, I’m not wagging a finger because I’m better or something. Judging according to physical attributes is something most everyone is guilty of sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![Crunchy\_Frog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ebca7d/32.png) [@Crunchy\_Frog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crunchy_Frog)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2000, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/62 "2000-11-18T21:09:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Snooooopy \* > \*\*Oooh, oooh, I remember seeing that comedian, too, and his name is juuuust off the tip of my tongue. He kind of had a tough-talking delivery, if I recall. \*\* Yes, he did. IIRC he had an Italian name. DiPota or something. That doesn’t sound right though. ---
**Author:** ![Crunchy\_Frog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ebca7d/32.png) [@Crunchy\_Frog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crunchy_Frog)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2000, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/63 "2000-11-18T21:11:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Crunchy Frog \* > \*\*A while back there was a thread about a [dog that is featured in calendars](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=41821). \*\* Just fixing my link from the earlier post. Carry on, everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2000, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/64 "2000-11-18T23:25:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bill H. \* > Sorry, but sign me up for the “just a dog” category. It never ceases to surprise me how attached people get to mere animals. In the eyes of the law (and my eyes as well), it’s no different from kicking any other posession. It’s despicable to abuse a living, breathing, feeling creature that cannot defend itself against you until it dies a painful death, even it’s a “just” a puppy, kitten, rabbit, etc. > [@](#): > > Frankly, if it wasn’t his girlfriends, but a strangers dog that defecated on his carpet, I’d be rooting for him to get a settlement out of the dog owner for damages. If the guy could not handle a 5-month-old puppy making a mess on his carpet, he should not have agreed to watch it, whether it was his girlfriend’s or not. In fact, he should not have even allowed it in his house. PUPPIES MAKE MESSES, only morons don’t know that. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/65 "2000-11-19T16:04:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\*The daughter of a former Mayor was murdered and thrown onto the street form a moving car. He was on the radio essentially beggng any witnesses to come forward and mentione that he was bitter that there was a bigger reward raised to find the guy who threw a poodle into traffic after an accident. > What are your thoughts? \*\* Some details may be a little shaky in this story, but it’s fundamentally true… I have a cousin who lives in Boulder, Colorado. Last time I saw her she told me that several years ago a mountain lion killed a woman with two children outside of town. The lion was subsequently hunted down and destroyed, and two of it’s kittens were found. Total contributions to the “welfare” fund for the two kittens: $10,000. Total contributions to the scholarship fund for the HUMAN woman’s two orphaned children: $2,000. My thoughts are that some people care more about animals than they do about people, especially people of different creeds, ideology, beliefs or social class. I think the animal rights movement and to a lesser extent the environmental movement is flush with such people, and that they make me SICK. Not that any of the above has much, if anything to do with this thread in general. It still doesn’t make what that guy did to that dog okay. He’s a sick bastard. **obfusciantrist** - you belied your nick with that long, well-argued post. Are you a philosophy or logic professor? But seriously, I agree with 99% of what you said, even though I am emphatically NOT an atheist. But from where do you derive your argument that human life is inherently of more value than that of any other animal, if not from religion? This is a moral judgement that is bound up in Judeo-Christian doctrine, among others. To seperate it from that doctrine is to make it just an arbitrary moral stance. ---
**Author:** ![Fishhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9f8e36/32.png) [@Fishhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fishhead)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/66 "2000-11-19T16:54:36Z")
Whew, and I thought I was wordy… that was quite a post, Obfus. I’d like to weigh in on the side of Crunchy Frog and Obfus, if it isn’t too late. It is stupid and mean to torture an animal for no reason, regardless of that animal’s beauty in the eye of the beholder or relative “superiority” or intelligence. But I suspect that I’d have a lower threshold for sufficient reason than most folks. When feral and semi-feral housecats choose my property as their hunting ground, they are quickly and efficiently relocated to the happy (and final) hunting ground. (Did you know that, after habitat destruction, house cats are the second highest cause of the decline of our migratory songbirds?) I see that they suffer as little as possible during the transition. I would say that pulling the wings off flies would normally be a sign of a sick mind (although not punishable by being drawn and quartered or even incarceration), but I have damaged the wings on flies captured in my house so that I could feed them to my son’s pet frog (they fly out of the aquarium, otherwise). By the same token, if pulling the leg off a puppy was the only way to feed an individual of some injured highly-endangered species (or a human, although I can’t see how this would apply in this case), I’d regret the pain to the canine, but I’d get the job done. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2000, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/67 "2000-11-19T16:58:19Z")
So how can you tell a “semi-feral cat” from my pet? ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Creant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b487fb/32.png) [@Miss\_Creant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Creant)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2000, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/68 "2000-11-20T19:03:16Z")
Here is my theory on why this is such a touchy issue - Many people have become desensitized to the uneccessary slaughter and abuse of innocent people. There are murders depicted in television and movies all the time. When was the last time you saw the torture or abuse of an animal on film? Fatal Attraction? We rarely see it and when we do, we are horrified. I remember my stupid ex b/f in high school rented ‘Faces of Death’ and for the most part I was able to watch it. What I couldn’t watch were the parts where a soldier rip the head of a rabbit off with his mouth, clubing baby seals to death and eating the brains of a live monkey. I made him turn the video off. I don’t know who posted it, but someone mentioned that people don’t depend on dogs to live. Hmmm, guess we better tell those blind people that we’re on to them. And the parapalegics (i cannot spell, sorry) and the hearing impaired and epileptics (told ya I couldn’t spell) who depend on dogs to warn them of an oncoming seziure. Getting off the soapbox now, but I was a vet tech and its hard to hear this kind of shit. And this includes all creatures, dogs, cats, cows, horses, pigs, iquanas, snakes… ---
**Author:** ![malkavia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malkavia/32/5621_2.png) [@malkavia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malkavia)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2000, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/69 "2000-11-20T23:05:15Z")
Here’s what I -meant- to say. I know I’m about to come off looking like the bad guy here… but Im gonna have to agree with the “Its just a dog” argument. That might seem a bit heartless, but I cant, in good conscience, condemn a man in his 70’s to prison for abusing an animal when I’m sitting here with a glass of milk, two eggs and some bacon. If you think that puppy was abused, you ought to see how the cows, pigs and chickens are treated prior to being slaughtered and/or raped of their eggs and milk. That probably doesnt make you quite as queasy because, well, they’re not as cute as a little puppy. Its a sad fact that we spare animals based on aesthetics. Dolphin safe, but no one cares what happens to the poor tuna. In any case, two years imprisonment for kicking/choking a dog that dies as a result is not only a little bloodthirsty, its unconstitutional. We have laws that dictate the punishment should fit the crime. If this is worth 2 years in prison, Id hate to see what you guys would do to the Meat and Dairy people. _shudder_ ---
**Author:** ![Fishhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9f8e36/32.png) [@Fishhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fishhead)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2000, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/70 "2000-11-20T23:41:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\*So how can you tell a “semi-feral cat” from my pet? > \*\* Where I live it is easy to tell, because the number of neighbors are few. However, many pets are semi-feral, by my definition, which is that they hunt my property. In Wyoming and many other western states, it is expressly legal(and encouraged) to shoot any housecat more than 100 yards from a building. This is because of the damage they do to game animals. Unfortunately, it takes a game animal (like pheasants, in this case) to generate that kind of support. Songbirds are not generally so well protected. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/71 "2000-11-21T00:27:32Z")
I am glad we are not neighbors. ---
**Author:** ![Zenster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/cdc98d/32.png) [@Zenster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zenster)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/72 "2000-11-21T00:37:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > **Am I wrong, or did your sig used to say ‘stir well, puppy on bottom?’ > If not you, who was it? > Apologies as necessary, > CP** **CP** , you are thinking of **Jesuslynch** > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Crunchy Frog \* > \*\*…I forget who said it, but I once heard a someone say, “Torturing an animal to see if my wife’s mascara clumps is wrong, but if hooking a monkey’s testicles up to a car battery will cure cancer in 10 years I got two things to say: The red is positive and the black is negative.” > \*\* **Crunchy** and **Snooooopy** , this line was delivered by Dennis Miller in reference to finding a cure for AIDS. It remains one of my favorite when it comes to putting animal testing into perspective. **Obfus** , my term “shot and hung after torture” is used to convey the magnitude of my distasteand is not presented as a solution. The outright unconstitutionality of such an act should instantaneously make that clear. ---
**Author:** ![Apricot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bcef8e/32.png) [@Apricot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apricot)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/73 "2000-11-21T02:29:38Z")
May I preface my reply with a statement? I think the man involved in the cited case is awful. I hope his girlfriend dumps him, and he is convicted. As previously stated, there is a big difference between death and torture. That said, I know and love someone who has killed many dogs, puppies, and kittens. The same man who nursed my sweet kitten back to health with home-baked cubes of chicken also dispatched many dogs with a swift kick to the liver. No dog was allowed to bite a child in his presence. Yes, he killed his friends’ and relatives’ dogs. No, they did not get mad, it was a different time. He drowned unwanted stray kittens and puppies. As a dog breeder, he killed puppies with undesirable traits, which no breeder I’ve met recently seems willing to do, causing all kinds of genetic disease and poorly tempered pets. (I realize sterilization is a possibility now). He also turned in our neighbor for kicking his dog. What am I trying to say? Ethical decisions are not black and white. As some before me have pointed out (Dennis Miller) that certain things are right in certain situations. I can’t imagine going through life with a knee-jerk response that anyone who does “X” is evil. There is an appropriate time for anything. Even kicking a dog to death. Apricot ---
**Author:** ![rjk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@rjk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjk)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/74 "2000-11-21T03:21:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by obfusciatrist \* > \*\*Many here expressed a desire to see the person who killed that puppy to experience death, harm, or a long-term permanent torture. I also suspect that many of you here are anti-death penalty, anti-corporal punishment, anti-torture when it comes to perpetrators of violent acts against people. As a note to **Crunchy Frog** , notice I used the word “many” here; your criticism was correct and I should not have used the word “none” in my first post. > \*\* As much as I love animals (especially dogs and guinea pigs), and I completely agree what the man did was sick, but I have to agree with obfusciatrist that some of the comments made seemed extremely harsh (tortured or let the man rot in an old folks home?). I thought that the people on the board are around to fight ignorance - but the comments made seemed otherwise. An eye-for-an-eye was a punishment abandoned just not-too-long ago and there’s enough sociological proof that it doesn’t work. But yes, a fine and jail sentence is certainly appropriate, but not torture or humiliation. ---
**Author:** ![rjk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@rjk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjk)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/75 "2000-11-21T03:27:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Snooooopy \* > > Me, I like ducks. Used to have a creek in my backyard back home. We fed them bread or corn. \*\* BTW, I think it’s bad to feed wild animals (e.g. ducks) with domesticated human food? Something to do with messing up their digestive system and natural habit of foraging… Cheers, jov ---
**Author:** ![jovius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@jovius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jovius)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/76 "2000-11-21T03:30:17Z")
\*\*\* ATTENTION \*\*\* Sorry, the above two posts were not made by rjk but it was I, Jovius, who made them. We use the same computer in the office and I forgot to delete his name/password and use mine instead. Cheers, jov ---
**Author:** ![rjk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ed655f/32.png) [@rjk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjk)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/77 "2000-11-21T03:45:16Z")
Damn students! Even though I do agree, in my more rational moments, that torture is a little extreme, even for this guy. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mermaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@The\_Mermaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mermaid)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/78 "2000-11-21T03:48:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by filthy \* > > ## \*\*“So far no one has mentioned that most serial killers have a history of animal abuse, torture and killing.” …The Mermaid > > I mentioned it. > > All too often it happens. A sadistic asshole is a sadictis asshole and they keep going onward and upward (?). \*\* I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Cyndar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cyndar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyndar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/79 "2000-11-21T04:14:12Z")
I’m an emergency vet tech who has dedicated her life to saving animals. I think people who abuse animals are sick fuckers who deserve to go to jail. I think people who abuse other people are sick fuckers who deserve to go to jail. I eat meat. I don’t support animal testing for things like cosmetics. I don’t like animal testing for medical purposes, but until there is a viable alternative… If people raise 10,000 bucks to save some wildlife, while others only raise 2,000 to save some orphans, maybe you shouldn’t be annoyed at the animal lovers who chose to contribute to their cause as much as you should be annoyed at the “people” lovers who didn’t contribute to the orphans. Michi ---
**Author:** ![lurkernomore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@lurkernomore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurkernomore)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2000, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649/80 "2000-11-21T04:21:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cyndar \* > \*\*I’m an emergency vet tech who has dedicated her life to saving animals. > > I think people who abuse animals are sick fuckers who deserve to go to jail. > > I think people who abuse other people are sick fuckers who deserve to go to jail. > > I eat meat. > > I don’t support animal testing for things like cosmetics. I don’t like animal testing for medical purposes, but until there is a viable alternative… > > If people raise 10,000 bucks to save some wildlife, while others only raise 2,000 to save some orphans, maybe you shouldn’t be annoyed at the animal lovers who chose to contribute to their cause as much as you should be annoyed at the “people” lovers who didn’t contribute to the orphans. > Michi \*\* Bravo. I wish I could’ve said it half as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-me-in-wishing-this-man-a-slow-and-painful-death/41649.md?page=5)