# \*\*\*Join the SDMB panel of experts for live debate coverage - 9/26/2016\*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 26, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946 "2016-09-26T17:39:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/641 "2016-09-27T03:22:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > This is the most undisciplined debate audience I’ve seen in 24 years of watching presidential debates. Hmm. Imagine that. Why do you think appealing to emotions works? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/642 "2016-09-27T03:22:22Z")
Hillary got under his skin with every attack she landed – he spent a good minute of each two minute response defending his non-release of taxes, his rent discrimination against black people in the 70s, his birther lies, his nuclear lunacy, etc. I don’t think he’s capable of not responding to such attacks – she’ll come up with a lot more for the next debates (assuming Trump shows up). ---
**Author:** ![tenacious\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tenacious\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tenacious_j)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/643 "2016-09-27T03:22:27Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > You liberals are so far inside your bubble of anti-reality, that you can’t even fathom the idea of somebody sincerely disagreeing with you. The only thing you can come up with is “satire.” In this case, it’s not disagreement. It’s loads and loads of lies. So many lies. Tremendous lies. > [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > So you think he’s right that we shouldn’t defend the countries who aren’t paying the right amount? That’s why being “so good at business” doesn’t make you qualified to run a country. At least part of it. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/644 "2016-09-27T03:22:33Z")
Spin seems to me overwhelmingly pro-Clinton. Would you dare duck out of the other debates if you were Trump? If you feel like you’d struggle again, just say no more and go on like nothing happened. Surely this one will be a distant memory by the time November 8th rolls around. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/645 "2016-09-27T03:23:42Z")
Yeah, I think there’s a reasonable case to be made that Trump won the first 20 minutes. But the vast majority of people watching the last 70 are going to feel better about Clinton than about Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/646 "2016-09-27T03:23:58Z")
I don’t have any experience with cocaine. Coke-knowers: is this how people act on coke? Is there a “tell” to it, or is it just as likely post-nasal drip? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/647 "2016-09-27T03:24:23Z")
Hill kills, Trump crumps! ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/648 "2016-09-27T03:24:40Z")
> [@Reyemile](#): > > Post-debate interview with Trump: “I’m just glad that I was able to hold back on Bill’s indiscretions” because of his respect for Chelsea. Did he really say that? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/649 "2016-09-27T03:25:00Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > It really is amazing to see people defending Trump’s performance in the debate. It’s one thing to point out some negatives about Hillary - lord knows they exist - but I just cannot comprehend anyone sincerely thinking that Trump won this debate, or even tied. Yeah, he got in a couple of good lines, but he was largely incoherent, made several blatant bald-faced pants-on-fire lies, and transparently evaded questions. Those things don’t matter, though. So what? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/650 "2016-09-27T03:25:08Z")
As Amy Walters said on PBS, and I really think this is going to be the key to the election: Trump lost mainly because the debate became about him. Whenever the spotlight shines on one of them, they go down in the polls. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/651 "2016-09-27T03:27:18Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > So you think he’s right that we shouldn’t defend the countries who aren’t paying the right amount? If cheapskate members want the US to fulfill treaty obligations then those members should fulfill theirs. That includes financial obligations. ---
**Author:** ![Reyemile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@Reyemile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reyemile)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/652 "2016-09-27T03:27:29Z")
> [@YogSothoth](#): > > Did he really say that? :eek: I may not have transcribed it word-for-word, but basically, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/653 "2016-09-27T03:27:32Z")
> [@Revenant\_Threshold](#): > > But you consider her to have done well in the debate - that both candidates did well and that neither was the winner. Like you say, you had not entirely complimentary feelings about Trump prior to the debate, too, but his performance during it turned you from a “Well, he’s the one running against her, so I guess I’ll have to vote for him” to a “Hey, I’d quite like to vote for him” guy, to paraphrase you. His good display in your eyes improved your negative reaction to Trump. Why didn’t Clinton’s good display in your eyes improve your negative reaction to her, too? Every once in a while you come across somebody so irretrievably bad, that NOTHING can change the situation. That’s why we supported one megalomaniac mass-murderer over another megalomaniac mass-murderer in WWII. > [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > So you think he’s right that we shouldn’t defend the countries who aren’t paying the right amount? That comes from him not being a politician. If he were, he would have a response pre-planned. It was perfectly obvious tonight that he would defend the rest of NATO. He just worded it in an inadvertently-misleading manner. He was trying to make the point that the other countries should “pay” the alliance as a whole, by living up to their spending obligations. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/654 "2016-09-27T03:29:38Z")
Frank Luntz, of all people, has an interesting thing in his Twitter feed, where he has gifs of his focus’ groups response to the questions being asked Hillary and Donald. [https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz](https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz) Since it’s Luntz, I don’t really trust him. But he seems to think this went solidly for Clinton. It’s interesting to see the graphs showing how his group is reacting to the candidates words (I mean, assuming that the stuff Luntz is posting isn’t entirely a lie). Luntz says that in the end, 6 of his group went Trump and 16 for Clinton … which at least sort of aligns with the idea that about 27% of the country is Republican madmen. Big grain of salt - but interesting. [https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz](https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz) ---
**Author:** ![tenacious\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tenacious\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tenacious_j)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/655 "2016-09-27T03:31:59Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > I guess cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug. Does it make you angry and give you the sniffles? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/656 "2016-09-27T03:32:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If cheapskate members want the US to fulfill treaty obligations then those members should fulfill theirs. That includes financial obligations. So that’s a “yes,” you agree that if Russia invades an under-paying NATO country we should just say “Good Luck!” > [@Flyer](#): > > That comes from him not being a politician. If he were, he would have a response pre-planned. It was perfectly obvious tonight that he would defend the rest of NATO. He just worded it in an inadvertently-misleading manner. He was trying to make the point that the other countries should “pay” the alliance as a whole, by living up to their spending obligations. Obvious to you, maybe. Not from his words, or his prior statements. So I take it you do not agree with his prior position to let them hang? ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/657 "2016-09-27T03:32:42Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > It really is amazing to see people defending Trump’s performance in the debate. It’s one thing to point out some negatives about Hillary - lord knows they exist - but I just cannot comprehend anyone sincerely thinking that Trump won this debate, or even tied. Yeah, he got in a couple of good lines, but he was largely incoherent, made several blatant bald-faced pants-on-fire lies, and transparently evaded questions. It was patently obvious that his brain was working far faster than his mouth. He was trying to say things as fast as he was thinking of them, and in the effort to keep up, he appeared incoherent. I’ve done that a few times. It’s the same when you’re writing something–sometimes you make mistakes, trying to keep up with your thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/658 "2016-09-27T03:33:14Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Brokaw has been fighting multiple myeloma for 3 years now. Maybe that affects his speech somehow? I wasn’t aware of that. What a shame. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/659 "2016-09-27T03:34:31Z")
Is his idea that paying taxes is only for dumb people going to hurt him? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/660 "2016-09-27T03:34:35Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > It was patently obvious that his brain was working far faster than his mouth. He was trying to say things as fast as he was thinking of them, and in the effort to keep up, he appeared incoherent. Anyway, he should be president. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946.md?page=34)