# \*\*\*Join the SDMB panel of experts for live debate coverage - 9/26/2016\*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 26, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946 "2016-09-26T17:39:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/761 "2016-09-27T12:49:40Z")
I wonder if it’s plausible that his people told Trump hey, listen, man, the stakes are too high here. Every time you feel yourself getting irate, before you say anything, just take a deep breath, or have a sip of water, OK? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/762 "2016-09-27T12:56:03Z")
WillFarnaby, I agree that, were Clinton facing a human Republican candidate rather than an orange simian, things like her relatively hawkish inclinations (for a Democrat) would be an important topic. Well, hopefully next time the Republicans can manage to nominate a human. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/763 "2016-09-27T12:58:35Z")
Sorry I didn’t read the entire thread - just jumped in around page 13 or so after watching it. Has anyone mentioned the reason Hillary clearly lost the debate? No flag pin! :smack: The unfortunate thing is that I suspect the type of discussion we’re doing here will have close to zero effect in the minds of most voters. I don’t know the mindset/demographics of folk who are still undecided at this point, but my fear is that they are not looking for serious analysis. If they are getting their news/opinions from FB/Twitter, all that matters is whether the tweets/messages they get say Trump won and Hillary lied. Facts be damned. I’m waiting for the tie-in to Trump mocking thirsty Rubio. I watched it on PBS. Anyone else notice Trump looked less orange than usual? Or was it their cameras. Perhaps the most offensive line of the night was from the liberal analyst afterwards who said Hillary might be acceptable in your car pool or on the PTA. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/764 "2016-09-27T13:06:09Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > In 2014, the NATO members agreed that all countries would strive to set their defense spending at 2% of their GDP. At an event called the Welsh Summit, they pledged two things: First, that any country which was currently spending at the 2% mark would maintain that, and second, that any country that was below that mark would move to increase their spending within the next ten years. > > Again - These are not obligations set out in the treaty. These are guidelines which the member countries agreed to at a recent meeting. > > Countries that are not currently spending 2% of their GDP are not at fault for ignoring their obligations. Thanks for this (and the parts I snipped) – it’s embarrassingly clear to me how little I know about NATO. But given that the spending level is a guideline (and I guess even if it was a requirement), in the Trumpverse, shouldn’t not meeting it be considered just good business? Why isn’t he applauding them for being smart, and making a big deal about how stupid we are for meeting the guideline? ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/765 "2016-09-27T13:11:41Z")
Hillary seemed stilted and robotic most of the time. She paused every two or three words to make sure see was going to say exactly what was scripted. She also had to cram on the talking points and buzz words, “trumped up trickle down” and “fair share”. She might have come off badly to those who are currently hating politics-as-usual: the Millennials she is desperately trying to win over. I wish she had some better comebacks for Trump’s lines. “That’s why you’ve been fighting ISIS your entire adult life.” That’s a softball ready to be whacked. Her response: “Look at my website.” I hoped for a comeback when Trump said that Obama doubled the national debt. Even though it’s not true about Obama, she could have said the George W Bush doubled the debt and Reagan tripled it and mention the ridiculous deficit that Obama was left with at the beginning of his term. I’m not sure if the debates are going to change anyone’s mind. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/766 "2016-09-27T13:12:07Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > Thanks for this (and the parts I snipped) – it’s embarrassingly clear to me how little I know about NATO. > > But given that the spending level is a guideline (and I guess even if it was a requirement), in the Trumpverse, shouldn’t not meeting it be considered just good business? Why isn’t he applauding them for being smart, and making a big deal about how stupid we are for meeting the guideline? Ooooo–good one! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/767 "2016-09-27T13:14:02Z")
CNN just showed a clip of Trump on Fox(phone in). He wasn’t sniffing, it was a bad microphone. Yeah, right. ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/768 "2016-09-27T13:17:52Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I wish someone would say “Okay, dickhead, don’t release your 2015 return until the audit is done. But show us 2000 thru 2014”. I think Anderson Cooper said that to one of Trumps campaign managers a few weeks ago. The response was “He can’t because they’re all connected!” Wouldn’t it be nice for the IRS to close the books on Trump’s audits and tweet to Trump that he’s now free to release his returns. ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/769 "2016-09-27T13:31:53Z")
Something i forgot to mention in my last post: Notice when the question came up about race relations in America, all Trump could talk about was crime. black people = criminals ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/770 "2016-09-27T13:32:49Z")
> [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](#): > > I think Anderson Cooper said that to one of Trumps campaign managers a few weeks ago. The response was “He can’t because they’re all connected!” > > Wouldn’t it be nice for the IRS to close the books on Trump’s audits and tweet to Trump that he’s now free to release his returns. Yeah, if the IRS was truly in Obama’s pocket, that is exactly what he would order them to do. Any taxes due missed due to shutting down the audit early would definitely be worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/771 "2016-09-27T13:33:54Z")
Here’s CNN’s first debate fact-checking: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/politics/fact-check-presidential-debate/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/politics/fact-check-presidential-debate/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/772 "2016-09-27T13:35:24Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Clinton had problems with the truth, LOL. Not much needs to be added to that. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/773 "2016-09-27T13:35:41Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > In his own words: > > Can’t. He said he “can’t” release them because of an audit, but like I said this “can’t” had already been publicly corrected, so why was he allowed to so easily use the same excuse palm the question off last night? > > If he said last night that he would release them after the audit, why didn’t either Clinton or the moderator immediately remind him that the audit doesn’t stop him releasing his tax returns and so why hasn’t he done so? Holt or Clinton had a perfect trap opportunity and let him go. Trump: I’ll release my taxes when Clinton releases her deleted emails. Holt: So just to be clear…if Clinton released her emails tomorrow, you would release your taxes? Trump: Yes. Holt: Despite the fact that you’re being audited? Boom. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/774 "2016-09-27T13:36:21Z")
> [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](#): > > I think Anderson Cooper said that to one of Trumps campaign managers a few weeks ago. The response was “He can’t because they’re all connected!” > > Wouldn’t it be nice for the IRS to close the books on Trump’s audits and tweet to Trump that he’s now free to release his returns. I know nothing about US tax law, but I have to ask - can the IRS be compelled (via court order) to publicize Trump’s tax returns itself? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/775 "2016-09-27T13:38:17Z")
There’s a lawsuit that has been filed to do so, but there’s zero chance of the suit succeeding. Privacy laws on tax returns are very strict. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/776 "2016-09-27T13:39:25Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Heh. I wonder: is this his whole plan? > > “You know, I could’ve won; I _would’ve_ won. It’s obvious, right? All I had to do was mention Bill Clinton’s affairs, and that’s it; that’s _it!_ But I have so, so much respect for Chelsea that I chose not to say that to Crooked Hillary; I knew being respectful could cost me the election, but some things are more important, believe me; believe me.” This would be on the level of his “Obama is an American” announcement. He schedules a major event, gets the breathless attention of the media, builds the suspense for an hour, and then: Bill Clinton had affairs in the 1990’s. Gasp. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/777 "2016-09-27T13:52:47Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > If he skimmed any Cliffs Notes, it certainly didn’t show. He didn’t even skim ‘Cliff Clavin’ Notes… not that I’d want him to. Trump was shown up as the Lying Bloviating Buffoon we all knew him to be. Courtesy: Rope. As for problems with the truth, I’m not worried about Hillary because Trump Can’t Tell The Truth. Sometimes I worry Bill Maher is right though: Unless “Ignorant Sack Of Shit” is the “New GOP”(meaning Kellyanne Conway is the exception, not the rule), Hillary should be leading him by 50 points already… Especially after leveling him building-to-parking-lot style last night. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/778 "2016-09-27T13:53:39Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > Hillary seemed stilted and robotic most of the time. She paused every two or three words to make sure see was going to say exactly what was scripted. She also had to cram on the talking points and buzz words, “trumped up trickle down” and “fair share”. She might have come off badly to those who are currently hating politics-as-usual: the Millennials she is desperately trying to win over. > > I wish she had some better comebacks for Trump’s lines. “That’s why you’ve been fighting ISIS your entire adult life.” That’s a softball ready to be whacked. Her response: “Look at my website.” > > I hoped for a comeback when Trump said that Obama doubled the national debt. Even though it’s not true about Obama, she could have said the George W Bush doubled the debt and Reagan tripled it and mention the ridiculous deficit that Obama was left with at the beginning of his term. Well, Trump typically goes back to the same well over and over and over for attack lines, so there’s a good chance he’ll repeat these whoppers in Debate #2 (and possibly #3), and if he does, I suspect Hillary will be ready for them. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/779 "2016-09-27T13:57:15Z")
And has anyone been able to figure out what Trump was talking about with his line "Last week at the AF of L-CIO, behind the blue screen, you were totally out of control! I said, ‘There’s a person with a temperament that’s got a problem.’ " ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/780 "2016-09-27T14:03:28Z")
I think Hillary did a good job, but “Trumped up trickle down” is just blech, reeking of zinger by market research. I hope that phrase disappears quickly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946.md?page=40)