# \*\*\*Join the SDMB panel of experts for live debate coverage - 9/26/2016\*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 26, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946 "2016-09-26T17:39:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/861 "2016-09-27T20:17:21Z")
The next one is town hall style right? Can’t imagine he’ll skip that one. At least in his mind, that plays more to his strengths. Skipping the next one on one I could see. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/862 "2016-09-27T20:17:28Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > He should. This is obviously not going to work for him. As a matter of fact, I’d advise Trump to just leave the campaign trail entirely. Pre-FDR, candidates actually didn’t campaign much, it was almost all surrogates who did it for them. Trump is someone who seems to benefit from not being in the headlines at this point, and his surrogates can sell him better than he can. Sure, but he won’t do that. You may as well suggest that he forego oxygen for the rest of the campaign. Trump may skip one or more debates, but no way will he give up the friendly attention of his rallies. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/863 "2016-09-27T20:17:52Z")
He’s going to get creamed at the future debates if he doesn’t cancel and will be ridiculed so mercifully if he does cancel that even he will notice. I love it! A winning situation no matter what. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/864 "2016-09-27T20:20:23Z")
There’s always the possibility that he learns from this and does better. The man speaks in complete sentences, he can be coached. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/865 "2016-09-27T20:21:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There’s always the possibility that he learns from this and does better. The man speaks in complete sentences, he can be coached. Nah, everyone was warning he’d probably clean up his act for this first debate, and it turned into a fiasco for him. Some people never learn, and Trump is one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/866 "2016-09-27T20:25:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There’s always the possibility that he learns from this and does better. The man speaks in complete sentences, he can be coached. He has no interest in being coached. I’m not sure he can pay attention long enough to be coached in any event. I don’t think he is interested enough in any issues to really care about learning them. I have never really heard him speak in complete sentences absent a Teleprompter. Ironically, he lambasted people for using this common technology, and he’s the one who really benefits from it. I think he’ll take part of Giuliani’s advice, and go after Hillary with personal attacks next time. The crowd will roar it’s approval! ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/867 "2016-09-27T20:28:44Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There’s always the possibility that he learns from this and does better. The man speaks in complete sentences, he can be coached. No, he speaks in overflowing sentences. He emits words in the same way that a busted fire hydrant emits water. And it also seems as though Trump can’t really be coached. He can be led around and fed words through a teleprompter, but he can’t be taught how to spin off-the-cuff responses in the way that a president is expected to. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/868 "2016-09-27T20:32:26Z")
> [@OffByOne](#): > > I recently saw a Facebook post saying that this was the first time EVAH that a Presidential candidate bragged about being proven to be a liar! The Trump version is actually a masterpiece of spin. Hillary started it. Trump, as a concerned American citizen, spared no expense and left no stone unturned in his quest for the truth. His diligence forced Obama to produce the long-form birth certificate. The issue was settled, and Donald thought it no longer worthy of his attention, until reporters kept bringing it up. So he disposed of it once and for all with his 30-second news conference/infomercial. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/869 "2016-09-27T20:32:29Z")
Trump is to engage in a conversation with American citizens about issues that are important to them, and he has all but declared he is going to spend their time attacking his opponent because her husband committed infidelity. Meanwhile, his opponent is being trained by the person who committed the [greatest Presidential debate town hall move ever](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_SFvgbrlY&t=0m6s). Is there any reason to expect a better performance out of him? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/870 "2016-09-27T20:33:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There’s always the possibility that he learns from this and does better. The man speaks in complete sentences, he can be coached. The second she says “your dad gave you millions of dollars and you aren’t even all that rich” his ability to speak in complete sentences is gone. ---
**Author:** ![OffByOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/45deac/32.png) [@OffByOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OffByOne)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/871 "2016-09-27T20:33:56Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yet the one being schlonged is _him_. Wonder what she’s hiding under that pantsuit? 😛 Let’s just say that I think her “hands” are larger than his… ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/872 "2016-09-27T20:51:48Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > . > > Meanwhile, his opponent is being trained by the person who committed the [greatest Presidential debate town hall move ever](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_SFvgbrlY&t=0m6s). That’s considered some kind of historic pwning? I mean it’s solid but a) Bill can’t teach that delivery to Hillary and b) it’s completely within the anti-incumbents’ playbook not very mapable onto Hillary’s quasi-incumbent campaign. > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Nah, everyone was warning he’d probably clean up his act for this first debate, and it turned into a fiasco for him. Some people never learn, and Trump is one of them. I think “fiasco” is slightly overstated. Trump lost but he didn’t outright embarrass himself. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/873 "2016-09-27T20:54:36Z")
Given where Clinton was in 1992, that town hall performance saved his candidacy. The first 10 seconds of Clinton’s response was designed to highlight the difference between Bill, the common everyman, and Bush, the impatient technocrat. (This was also the debate where Bush kept looking at his watch.) So, yeah. ---
**Author:** ![OffByOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/45deac/32.png) [@OffByOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OffByOne)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/874 "2016-09-27T20:55:54Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Brokaw has been fighting multiple myeloma for 3 years now. Maybe that affects his speech somehow? For as long as I can remember listening to Brokaw, he has always sounded like he had marbles in his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/875 "2016-09-27T20:56:52Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > CNN just reported Giuliani is recommending Trump skip the remaining two debates. No word on if the Trump camp is actually considering this. I really wonder. He’s been tweeting about how polls have him as the winner, so I don’t know if he genuinely thinks he did good or not. He did skip at least one primary debate and did badly in the primary after that if I’m remembering correctly. That would be great if he skips one or both, and Clinton is allowed to have the floor for an hour. The ratings would be a fraction of what they’d be, but it would give Clinton a platform and absolutely infuriate Trump. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > He has no interest in being coached. > I’m not sure he can pay attention long enough to be coached in any event. > I don’t think he is interested enough in any issues to really care about learning them. > > I have never really heard him speak in complete sentences absent a Teleprompter. Ironically, he lambasted people for using this common technology, and he’s the one who really benefits from it. > > I think he’ll take part of Giuliani’s advice, and go after Hillary with personal attacks next time. The crowd will roar it’s approval! He’s capable of being coached to a certain extent. He started off the debate calm and well-measured, and had a few points that were in the neighborhood of being reasonable at the beginning. I don’t remember any below-the-belt attacks on Clinton; there were some nonsensical ones like that she had been fighting ISIS her whole life or that might as well blame everything on her, but nothing personal or sexist that I can recall. But he either wasn’t coached to not interrupt or was coached enough. And I don’t know if he could be coached to keep his answers shorter and not keep throwing out word salad. I think he could be coached to have a better performance, but there’s still only so good he’s going to get. And Clinton has been preparing every single way to bait him into losing it and he won’t be able to withstand that. I could definitely see him going after Hillary with personal attacks and then being baffled it doesn’t work, since those attacks go over great at his rallies and at the Republican convention. He feeds off the energy at his rallies, but it’s a much different energy and demographics at the debates. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/876 "2016-09-27T20:58:52Z")
Watching it I thought he did better than the later analysis said, but I have to defer to the consensus that he did indeed embarrass himself. It does seem that he got coached on some points to get across and he did get them across: typical politician, our trade deals suck, but he let Clinton knock him off his game, whereas Clinton stuck with her plan. He could try to actually rattle her, but it’s going to take more than just mentioning her emails, something she already has a canned response to. He either needs to get more specific about the emails. Give her a question she hasn’t had to answer yet. Such as Why didn’t she turn over her emails as soon as she left office rather than waiting for Judicial Watch to find out she had a private server? Go after how she treated Bill’s accusers. He even passed up mentioning her Clinton foundation conflicts of interest when she went after him on potential conflicts hidden in his tax returns. ---
**Author:** ![OffByOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/45deac/32.png) [@OffByOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OffByOne)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/877 "2016-09-27T20:59:03Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > I’m looking forward to seeing a video of all Trump’s sniffing edited together. It had to be more than a minute of sniffing. Comedy Central had that up by 11:00 ET/10:00CT. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/878 "2016-09-27T21:06:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > He could try to actually rattle her, but it’s going to take more than just mentioning her emails, something she already has a canned response to. He either needs to get more specific about the emails. Give her a question she hasn’t had to answer yet. Such as Why didn’t she turn over her emails as soon as she left office rather than waiting for Judicial Watch to find out she had a private server? Go after how she treated Bill’s accusers. He even passed up mentioning her Clinton foundation conflicts of interest when she went after him on potential conflicts hidden in his tax returns. It would be hard as hell for him to find a way to rattle her: [ul] [li]She’s been prepping so hard, I’m sure she has an answer for anything[/li][li]She’s been attacked for so long and by so many people, it’d be really hard for him to find something new to attack her on[/li][li]For her possible weak points, he has even worse weak points. If he goes after how she’s treated Bill’s accusers, she could go after how he’s treated so many women, both in personal relationships and professional ones. I’m guessing he’s been coached to not bring up anything women related. If he goes after the Clinton Foundation, she could go after many very shady dealings with the Trump Foundation. And the Clinton Foundation has actually done good in the world, compared to the Trump Foundation. [/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/879 "2016-09-27T21:08:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > There’s always the possibility that he learns from this and does better. The man speaks in complete sentences, he can be coached. Trump is out there right now claiming victory, zero chance he changes anything. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/880 "2016-09-27T21:08:11Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I could definitely see him going after Hillary with personal attacks and then being baffled it doesn’t work, since those attacks go over great at his rallies and at the Republican convention. He feeds off the energy at his rallies, but it’s a much different energy and demographics at the debates. Heck, he apparently thought he had the all-time great convincer about the war in Iraq: look, I know what I said on Howard Stern’s show – but just call Sean Hannity, he’ll tell you what I later said to him; just call him! You just call Sean Hannity, and I promise you, he’ll clear this whole thing up, okay? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946.md?page=45)