# \*\*\*Join the SDMB panel of experts for live debate coverage - 9/26/2016\*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 26, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946 "2016-09-26T17:39:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1021 "2016-09-29T16:22:33Z")
Speaking of deplorables, [this Georgia couple](http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=495435828) interviewed on NPR the day of the debate would qualify: > [@](#): > > INSKEEP: [F]or Jimmy Arno, the concern about immigration matches his broader concerns about the direction of the country. He’s worried enough that on the day we met, he was thinking about whether or not to join a local group. > > J. ARNO: It’s a militia group and should martial law, civil war, whatever, break out in this country, they will uphold the Constitution and rebuild our laws. > > INSKEEP: What war do you mean? > > J. ARNO: The war that’s going to take place when Hillary Clinton’s elected - if that happens. > > INSKEEP: What sort of a war would that be? > > D. ARNO: Your patriots… > > J. ARNO: Your patriots are going to overthrow the government. The husband was supposed to appear again the next morning, but “couldn’t make it”. Gee, I wonder why. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1022 "2016-09-29T16:37:34Z")
The Republican “patriots” are going to overthrow the government. I’m at the point where I almost hope they try. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1023 "2016-09-29T16:41:01Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yes, at the beginning Trump seemed well-rehearsed. By the end he was babbling like Sarah Palin. > > Toward the end he mentioned “stamina.” I wish Hillary had come back with “Stamina? Shall we ask the network if we can continue this debate for another half-hour, Donald?” He’d be _seriously_ jonesing for another coke snort by then…😃 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1024 "2016-09-29T16:45:40Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > If Trump falls, the Professional Right will just bring out, like clockwork, their tried and tired “if we only had run a REAL conservative” lament. And yes, even the Lyin’ Teds and the Rancid Priebuses will just say “look, I never liked him at all but I was being a disciplined party member defending America from the evil horrors of She Who Must Not Be Named.” They did. Robot Romney. Who, even tho I disagreed with his politics very strongly, was a fairly decent person- for a android. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1025 "2016-09-29T16:51:53Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Oh there are a few people who just don’t like Clinton, who buy the narrative that she is dishonest or what have you. But I think that misses the bigger motivations: > > 1. The basket that really is deplorable, some of whom are even irredeemable. For them Clinton could be as honest as anyone and it would not matter. > > 2. True “values” conservatives who really don’t “hate” anyone but who do not want a less conservative Court. > > 3. A relatively few who believe that Clinton will cause their taxes to increase. For some of them, well they are right. Highest earners will likely pay more. > > 4. The other basket that Clinton referenced, people who feel the world is leaving them behind in many ways, and not only economically, but in terms of social status as well. Some are resentful and some just believe that the unknown “what’s behind door number two” is their best choice because they are not happy with what they have (which Clinton represents more of). > . > > TL;DNR? It’s not all perceived “honesty issues.” 1. Single Issue voters, mostly abortion and guns. I think Clinton should point out that the Donald is mushy on Gun Control and she promises to uphold the 2nd Ad- along with the rest of the bill of Rights. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1026 "2016-09-29T16:52:32Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > The Republican “patriots” are going to overthrow the government. > > I’m at the point where I almost hope they try. I’ll make the prediction now – after Hillary wins (assuming she wins), there will be online rumbling for some sort of uprising, and some idiots (the most well-armed, unemployed, and stupidest of Trump’s supporters) will actually try something. It could be bad – there could actually be some violence. But it will be small and won’t last long and the rage will melt into the grumbling simmer those assholes have maintained for the last 7 years. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1027 "2016-09-29T16:56:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > He’d be _seriously_ jonesing for another coke snort by then…😃 “_sniff_ Yes, but only if I can take five minutes to _sniff_ take a restroom break.” ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1028 "2016-09-29T17:01:13Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Trump looked exhausted in the last third of Debate 1. Having to move around isn’t going to help him a lot. I didn’t watch the debate, but I thought Trump still sounded exhausted in interviews the next morning. I heard a few clips of him, I think when he called in to the Fox morning show, and he sounded hoarse and tired. One might say “low energy”, even. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1029 "2016-09-29T17:03:50Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Rancid Priebuses I call him “Prince Rebus”. While not as derogatory, it’s pretty funny at least in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1030 "2016-09-29T17:28:05Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I think just the opposite. Hillary has done town halls forever, and in fact all through the primaries she was doing small events in which she talked to individuals in the crowd, while Bernie and Donald were doing their huge rallies. Have we ever seen Trump do any retail campaigning? I think it will be very awkward. Trump might even forget where he is, and if a Democratic-leaning questioner asks a question, yell out “Get him out of here!” LOL Good point, Clinton has done a lot of town hall type events, and is really good in smaller crowds, while Trump feeds off the energy of big crowds at his rallies. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen him do small events, I know he doesn’t like shaking hands with people. Should be interesting hearing questions from the crowd. I don’t think he’d yell for anyone to be taken out, but he might try to deflect or imply that the questioner is being dishonest or make fun of them. The perfect thing would be for a fat Hispanic woman with a non-American accent to ask him a question, could be about the wall or could be about his taxes or anything else. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ll make the prediction now – after Hillary wins (assuming she wins), there will be online rumbling for some sort of uprising, and some idiots (the most well-armed, unemployed, and stupidest of Trump’s supporters) will actually try something. It could be bad – there could actually be some violence. But it will be small and won’t last long and the rage will melt into the grumbling simmer those assholes have maintained for the last 7 years. I’d guess that it wouldn’t be hugely different than what happened when Obama was elected, where gun sales go up since everyone’s guns are going to be taken away, and a rise in fringe groups, and incidents of violence, but nothing organized. Maybe something like the “occupation” with the idiots in the wildlife refuge. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1031 "2016-09-29T18:12:37Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I’d guess that it wouldn’t be hugely different than what happened when Obama was elected, where gun sales go up since everyone’s guns are going to be taken away, and a rise in fringe groups, and incidents of violence, but nothing organized. Maybe something like the “occupation” with the idiots in the wildlife refuge. There’s one significant and unfortunate development this time – Donald has planted the seed that if he loses, it’s because the election was rigged. McCain and Romney never stooped that low. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1032 "2016-09-29T19:05:09Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > There’s one significant and unfortunate development this time – Donald has planted the seed that if he loses, it’s because the election was rigged. McCain and Romney never stooped that low. That, and his recruiting of [poll goons](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-poll-watchers-discrimination). I’m quite worried that this election is going to see serious extralegal disenfranchisement efforts, perhaps even violence at the polls. And if Trump loses as he so deserves, he and his supporters will make accusations of fraud which will undermine Hillary’s administration and could even lead to violence. > [@](#): > > Consider the experience of Leah Wright Rigueur, a professor and historian based in Cambridge, Massachusetts. One of the first times she voted was in Hanover, New Hampshire, when she was a senior in college, majoring in history and keen to perform her civic duty in the 2002 midterm elections. Under New Hampshire’s rules, voters can register at the polls on Election Day. When Rigueur, who is black, walked into the polling place to register and vote, she was singled out and challenged by an older white man, who didn’t have to provide any backing for his accusation, she says. Several of her black classmates got similar treatment, she learned later that day. I been considering taking Election Day off and doing whatever I could to help registered people vote. Providing transportation to the polls, protecting them from Trump’s poll goons, etc. Anyone know of a reputable enfranchisement group I could donate to? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1033 "2016-09-29T22:02:52Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > … Hillary has done town halls forever, and in fact all through the primaries she was doing small events in which she talked to individuals in the crowd, while Bernie and Donald were doing their huge rallies. Have we ever seen Trump do any retail campaigning? I think it will be very awkward. … > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Good point, Clinton has done a lot of town hall type events, and is really good in smaller crowds, while Trump feeds off the energy of big crowds at his rallies. … Trump is a skilled rabble-rouser, but is not, in fact, a skilled politician. As has been mentioned, he can’t even fake empathy (let alone feel it) and he can’t listen. He can only pontificate and play to the resentments of the crowd. And while there might be some individuals in the debate audience who feel the resentments Trump is used to feeding, he’s not going to be able to connect one-on-one with them because he can’t walk over and look them in the eye and listen to them. And he is going to have _serious_ problems with the stool. I would predict he might even fall off it. He’s a podium guy–he needs it to hold onto to hold himself up–and to distinguish himself from the crowd, with the podium lending him importance as the Star of the Show. He’s Mr. Nuremberg Rally, not Mr. Rogers. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1034 "2016-09-29T22:13:52Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And he is going to have _serious_ problems with the stool. I would predict he might even fall off it. He’s a podium guy–he needs it to hold onto to hold himself up–and to distinguish himself from the crowd, with the podium lending him importance as the Star of the Show. He’s Mr. Nuremberg Rally, not Mr. Rogers. “That stool was rigged! They gave me a bad stool. Sad!” ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1035 "2016-09-29T22:22:14Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “That stool was rigged! They gave me a bad stool. Sad!” No doubt. But if it IS to be stools, I bet his people insist that his be short enough so that he can sit with his feet firmly on the ground–and that it be anchored in place (to prevent tip-overs). Because otherwise, he’s a goin’ down. (And he might not be able to get back up without the aid of a derrick.) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1036 "2016-09-29T22:31:24Z")
Can’t he just sit on Christie? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1037 "2016-09-29T22:31:37Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “That stool was rigged! They gave me a bad stool. Sad!” Oh man, for want of a whoopee cushion. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1038 "2016-09-29T22:45:33Z")
Sometimes the nuanced and insightful political discussion here just blows me away. I’m off to google studies on the effects of stool height and whoopie cushions in past debates! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1039 "2016-09-29T22:47:45Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Sometimes the nuanced and insightful political discussion here just blows me away. I’m off to google studies on the effects of stool height and whoopie cushions in past debates! Watch out when you google “stool”. Just sayin’ ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1040 "2016-09-29T22:48:38Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Trump looked exhausted in the last third of Debate 1. Having to move around isn’t going to help him a lot. That was my take, too. Sitting on a stool is going to leave him feeling exposed and vulnerable. He exhibited nervousness of that sort even with a podium in front of him, and it will be exacerbated by the perching stool. It takes practice to look relaxed and at your ease in such a setting. So he’ll be fidgeting on his stool, worried about what mischief Hillary is going to pull, trying to fake empathy and interest in what the audience member or moderator is asking, then trying to “connect” with an answer in a way that is wholly foreign to him. He’ll be juggling all these concerns. And he won’t be able to write down the questions in a notebook or on his palm. Plus stamina. Stamina, stamina, stamina. I predict an epic train wreck. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946.md?page=53)