# \*\*\*Join the SDMB panel of experts for live debate coverage - 9/26/2016\*\*\* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 26, 2016, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946 "2016-09-26T17:39:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1061 "2016-09-30T12:16:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > So Trump is now making up allegations of sex tapes (it is made up, right?) for women who criticize him? I’m sure that will go well. Actually, it’s a little laughter and the camera focusing on a news program about Syria. About as much “sex” as you’ll find in Sunday school. (Google it and you see - almost, maybe, possibly NSFW though, maybe.) Trump bluffs about this shit thinking people will just take his word for it. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1062 "2016-09-30T12:55:02Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Actually, it’s a little laughter and the camera focusing on a news program about Syria. About as much “sex” as you’ll find in Sunday school. (Google it and you see - almost, maybe, possibly NSFW though, maybe.) Trump bluffs about this shit thinking people will just take his word for it. He’s right about that last part. An awful lot of people will just take his word for it. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1063 "2016-09-30T13:23:25Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Actually, it’s a little laughter and the camera focusing on a news program about Syria. About as much “sex” as you’ll find in Sunday school. (Google it and you see - almost, maybe, possibly NSFW though, maybe.) Trump bluffs about this shit thinking people will just take his word for it. > [@Bayard](#): > > He’s right about that last part. An awful lot of people will just take his word for it. Yeah see, some of his buffoons may take his word for it when he says something like: “Hilary siphoned millions of dollars out of children’s charity organizations”. But don’t say “X” has sex tapes or nude photos. Because you KNOW guys are going to Google that shit. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1064 "2016-09-30T13:24:02Z")
Given his current wife’s history of nude posing, doesn’t he feel at all strange about attacking other women over something similar? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1065 "2016-09-30T13:32:47Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > That being said, there are two more debates left and there’s a Veep debate which will probably get the media talking about something else for a while. For what, five minutes? VP debates are not known for being the most compelling viewing, but this is surely the most boring one ever scheduled. In the past you sometimes had silly candidates, like Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin, or funny candidates like Joe Biden, or unusual matchups like Dick Cheney versus John Edwards. But Pence Vs. Kaine is a matchup of two guys who look like non-speaking parts in a movie credited as “Accounting Guy In Blue Shirt.” I’m not saying they aren’t different in policy, but holy moly are they ever boring. I actually forgot Pence’s name at one point and I don’t think I’ve heard a thing about either man the whole campaign. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1066 "2016-09-30T13:39:05Z")
Though funny enough, if one believes [Snopes](http://www.snopes.com/alicia-machado-adult-star/) investigation of it, the reality is that Trump’s current wife has a modelling history as sordid or worse. Of course the reality is that it would not matter if it was true that there was a real sex tape, or if Machado was some kind of bad person. She is not running for President any more than Trump’s wife is and neither of their past behaviors is at all pertinent. The issue is his past behaviors. Did _he_ call a woman “Miss Piggy” and “Miss Housekeeping” because she had gained weight and was a Latina? His believing that if he can convince people that his target is somehow “not nice” then they _deserve_ whatever misogynistic and racist reduction of them to objects and stereotypes he vomits at them, is … odd. Oh it will work for those who believe that women should be objectified and who think of Latinas as housekeepers who should keep to their place in our society. But he has that basket of voters already and this won’t motivate them to come out any more. Keeping it going will however help Clinton’s turnout. Keep on tweeting! ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1067 "2016-09-30T13:45:12Z")
You should be paying more attention to Pence. Not only does he think porn is a public health ‘crisis’, that he intends to restrict severely, but he very seriously intends to overturn Roe vs Wade. So, if Don the Con wins, then gets tossed, ( or more likely walks away in a miff with title, salary, pension in perpetuity?), suddenly Pence is calling all the shots. Keep in mind, he could end up seating up to four justices on the court! He might indeed be boring, but you should definitely be paying attention, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1068 "2016-09-30T13:49:02Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > For what, five minutes? > > VP debates are not known for being the most compelling viewing, but this is surely the most boring one ever scheduled. In the past you sometimes had silly candidates, like Dan Quayle or Sarah Palin, or funny candidates like Joe Biden, or unusual matchups like Dick Cheney versus John Edwards. > > But Pence Vs. Kaine is a matchup of two guys who look like non-speaking parts in a movie credited as “Accounting Guy In Blue Shirt.” I’m not saying they aren’t different in policy, but holy moly are they ever boring. I actually forgot Pence’s name at one point and I don’t think I’ve heard a thing about either man the whole campaign. “Sometimes it takes me a minute to think of Tim Kaine’s name when I’m looking directly at at Clinton-Kaine sign.” -Happy Lendervedder ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1069 "2016-09-30T13:49:37Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Given his current wife’s history of nude posing, doesn’t he feel at all strange about attacking other women over something similar? He doesn’t have that kind of self awareness. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1070 "2016-09-30T14:03:36Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Given his current wife’s history of nude posing, doesn’t he feel at all strange about attacking other women over something similar? > [@DigitalC](#): > > He doesn’t have that kind of self awareness. Yup. Apparently the Machado’s “sordid past” consists of posing topless for Playboy in photos not as risque as the ones Melenia has posed for, and for “supposedly” getting frisky with another cast member on a reality show apparently similar to Big Brother, or The Real World. I say supposedly because it’s a grainy night vision video clip of some tussling going on, and it’s on a FUCKING REALITY TV SHOW, where you are certainly allowed some doubt as to what is scripted and made to draw ratings. Trump, with his current nude modeling wife, his three marriages (which feature two infidelities that he has admitted to, and likely more), his history of misogyny and discrimination, and his fascination with the sordid and the sensational, is uniquely ill-suited to throw rocks at anyone. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1071 "2016-09-30T14:19:22Z")
Its the new, improved Trump strategy: remain aloof and dignified, and let tired ol’ Hillary sink beneath all her scandals. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1072 "2016-09-30T15:50:40Z")
**Morgenstern** , you’ll be starting another watch-along thread for the next debate, right? Picture on, sound off, captioning on, and following it there-- my preferred method or experiencing the debate. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1073 "2016-09-30T17:14:39Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > **Morgenstern** , you’ll be starting another watch-along thread for the next debate, right? > > Picture on, sound off, captioning on, and following it there-- my preferred method or experiencing the debate. Oh yeah…It’s already done and almost ready to post. Need a few more VP candidate quotes to make it interesting though. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1074 "2016-09-30T19:12:13Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > **Morgenstern** , you’ll be starting another watch-along thread for the next debate, right? > > Picture on, sound off, captioning on, and following it there-- my preferred method or experiencing the debate. Do they add a little _[sniff]_ in the captions every time Trump snorts? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1075 "2016-09-30T19:17:19Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I saw he was spinning himself as the winner during rallies immediately afterward, but I assumed that was just for the rubes. You mean he actually believes it??!? :eek: > [@Derleth](#): > > Trump’s being a Republican again. > > We had “unskewed” polls back in 2012, based on the assumption that every pollster was biased in favor of Obama and colluding to hide the reality that Romney was going to win the election. This actually gained traction in the Republican world. It fed into the pre-existing “Liberal Media” talking point, which has been so ingrained for so long that it’s difficult for some people to notice that the mainstream media leans center-right out of a desire to not appear partisan. In the political world, it takes two to lie: One to lie, and one to not call them on their lie, thereby becoming complicit in it. > > In fact, I’ll expand on that point: Treating fake controversy as if it were real legitimizes the side which doesn’t have a valid argument. We’ve seen this in the global warming “debate”: One side has massive amounts of science on its side, the other has innuendo and nothing. Treating them as equivalently valid is a massive gift to the side that’s just blowing smoke. > > But that subtle complicity isn’t enough. You’re with us or against us. That’s Trump’s message to his surrogates: Anything less than full-throated support, even in the face of simple reality, is treason. > > This, too, is right out of the Republican hymnbook; it’s what keeps a whole industry of right-wing media flourishing, a massive empire which owns AM talk radio and has its tendrils in everything else and is founded on the idea that Republicans should never hear anything which offends them. The book-publishing portion of it has even created a whole alternate history, a politically correct history where all of the Founding Fathers were Evangelical Christians and where the Confederates seceded for some nebulous ideals of “States’ Rights” and honest, hard-working self-determination. It’s horrible scholarship, founded as it is on factual inaccuracies and gross distortions, but the fact the academics reject it ties into the “Liberal Academia” concept, which is so useful when you need to get people to accept that practically every competent climate scientist is wrong about something. > > Trump’s behavior is nothing new. It’s louder and more garish, but it’s a variation on the same pathology. He’s the Tea Party in a comb-over, a gilded version of the kind of party which could rebuke the “reality-based community” with a straight face. And there’s every indication he believes what he’s selling. > > It’s going to be fun watching him run headlong into reality. Yes, I finally decided he really does not believe he won the debate. The morning after, I saw him on TV admitting Hillary had won, then suddenly that afternoon he was insisting he won. What a dick. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1076 "2016-09-30T19:18:48Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Actually, it’s a little laughter and the camera focusing on a news program about Syria. About as much “sex” as you’ll find in Sunday school. (Google it and you see - almost, maybe, possibly NSFW though, maybe.) Trump bluffs about this shit thinking people will just take his word for it. Well, there are porn sites with videos that are labeled as Alicia Machado which are not really her. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1077 "2016-09-30T19:19:50Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Given his current wife’s history of nude posing, doesn’t he feel at all strange about attacking other women over something similar? Who? The King of lack of self-awareness? Democratic female Senators are calling for Trump to be weighed in public. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1078 "2016-09-30T19:21:03Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Yes, I finally decided he really does not believe he won the debate. The morning after, I saw him on TV admitting Hillary had won, then suddenly that afternoon he was insisting he won. What a dick. Such actions are very Bush league. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1079 "2016-09-30T19:21:27Z")
I hope Machado sues the hell out of Trump for saying she’s been in porn videos. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946/1080 "2016-09-30T19:21:39Z")
> [@](#): > > You should be paying more attention to Pence. Not only does he think porn is a public health ‘crisis’, that he intends to restrict severely, but he very seriously intends to overturn Roe vs Wade. The porn thing is in the Republican platform. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/join-the-sdmb-panel-of-experts-for-live-debate-coverage-9-26-2016/766946.md?page=55)