# Jon Benet Ramsey murder **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 2, 2006, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071 "2006-05-02T06:33:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/141 "2006-08-20T00:02:51Z")
[QUOTE=handsomeharry] The very first view of him said to me that he had AIDS. He also had an extremely eerie way of walking, which I (sort of) remembered being the AIDS shuffle, of the few victims that I had seen in the 80s. hh [/QUOTE] Was he possibly wearing ankle cuffs? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/142 "2006-08-20T03:23:09Z")
[QUOTE=Rilchiam] If you don’t have a lawyer with you, best advice is STFU. [/QUOTE] It would be bizarre if he started doing that _now_. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > I’ve crossed over. He’s guilty. The clincher for me is the initials “SBTC” at the bottom of the ransom note. Apparently it stands for “Shall Be The Conqueror”, and someone has produced a high school yearbook where he wrote ISBTC (For I Shall Be…) under his signature. Four letters outweight the other oddities here? They haven’t even established that it’s the same handwriting yet. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/143 "2006-08-20T03:26:22Z")
[QUOTE=Rilchiam] If you don’t have a lawyer with you, best advice is STFU. [/QUOTE] It would be bizarre if he started doing that _now_. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > I’ve crossed over. He’s guilty. The clincher for me is the initials “SBTC” at the bottom of the ransom note. Apparently it stands for “Shall Be The Conqueror”, and someone has produced a high school yearbook where he wrote ISBTC (For I Shall Be…) under his signature. They haven’t even established that it’s his handwriting. (For whatever it’s worth, CNN has an expert saying it isn’t.) On its own, it’s just too easy for that to be a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/144 "2006-08-20T06:58:07Z")
Check post number 277 in the pit [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=384338&page=1&pp=50), they didn’t even do _ **any** _ investigative homework before they arrested him it would seem. ---
**Author:** ![FRDE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FRDE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FRDE)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/145 "2006-08-20T07:39:31Z")
| Unfortunately we got grassed up. | [QUOTE=Rilchiam] Good lord, what kind of punishment did you get? [/QUOTE] Well first we each got a stiff rebuke at the local police station, then I had to go and apologize to the guy - who wanted me to repair a fence - I conveniently forgot about doing that Realistically there was not much they could do to us - we had made everyone look a bit silly, and they should have kept it quiet I have a suspicion that it was our ‘victim’ who informed the press, he was a town councillor (elected representative) and probably liked the publicity. However, that letter Ramsay letter really strikes a chord, unusually, I can remember how I thought at various stages in my life, especially as an adolescent male. I don’t think Karr did it, DNA might prove me wrong, but it looks to me as if someone with a methodical mind tried to shut her up in stages, and that person was not very strong. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/146 "2006-08-20T12:13:59Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] They haven’t even established that it’s his handwriting. (For whatever it’s worth, CNN has an expert saying it isn’t.) On its own, it’s just too easy for that to be a coincidence. [/QUOTE] I bet every person who knew that guy in high school is digging out their yearbook and looking for his signature to see if it has those initials. And I’d be willing to bet that he signed many books the same way. This week we should know a lot more. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/147 "2006-08-24T05:18:49Z")
I still can’t answer what **BobLibDem** was wondering about. However, it now sounds like Karr _doesn’t_ have any secret, potentially-firsthand knowledge about the girl’s body. [According to the AP…](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060824/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey) > [@](#): > > California detectives learned of John Mark Karr’s apparent fascination with the JonBenet Ramsey murder while investigating him in 2001, but said Wednesday he did not appear to have any special knowledge of the case. > […] > “We never uncovered any ‘confession’ statements, overt murder evidence, or other indications that John Karr possessed secret knowledge that only the murderer of JonBenet Ramsey would know,” the statement said. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2006, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/148 "2006-08-24T11:19:52Z")
Read that article again. They are referring to the investigation done covertly by the Sonoma County Sheriff’s Department five years ago, not to the current investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2006, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/149 "2006-08-28T22:53:13Z")
Either way, it sounds like this whole thing is over: Karr’s DNA doesn’t match that found on the girl, and [the case is being dropped.](http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/28/ramsey.arrest/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/150 "2006-08-29T05:32:03Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Either way, it sounds like this whole thing is over: Karr’s DNA doesn’t match that found on the girl, and [the case is being dropped.](http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/28/ramsey.arrest/index.html) [/QUOTE] The biggest non-surprise of the month. At least he can stand trial for the crime he might actually have committed now. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/151 "2006-08-29T13:48:30Z")
I bet Karr’s relieved to find out he didn’t do it. I hope he can get this California thing behind him, and get back in the classroom where he belongs. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2006, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071/152 "2006-08-29T14:21:44Z")
[QUOTE=bup] I bet Karr’s relieved to find out he didn’t do it. I hope he can get this California thing behind him, and get back in the classroom where he belongs. [/QUOTE] :spewing cinnamon hazelnut decaf: Bravo! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-benet-ramsey-murder/355071.md?page=7)