# Jon Stewart 9/6/05 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 7, 2005, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476 "2005-09-07T05:03:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2005, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476/81 "2005-09-09T19:05:16Z")
They also showed Cheney “comforting” a man who’s home was flooded out. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2005, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476/82 "2005-09-09T19:49:11Z")
Not _trying_ to, **did**. So maybe he was cought looking a little comical while baling out water. The end result was still multiple people who would have otherwise died if not for his actions. [Cite, thanks to **newcrasher**](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/343547p-293308c.html) ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476/83 "2005-09-10T00:12:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by jrfranchi > But the F’ you Mr Cheney was a Great TV moment. > I missed it. Did they pick that clip for their “Moment of Zen”? To clarify: even though the title of this thead refers to “The Daily Show” on Tuesday, September 6, the thread has stayed alive long enough for people to start referring to things from Wednesday and Thursday. The videotape of Cheney in New Orleans, pretending to care, and a passerby saying “Go fuck yourself, Mr. Cheney” was on last night (Thursday). It’s worth noting that he said “Go fuck yourself, Mr. Cheney”, not “Fuck you, Mr. Cheney”. Either expression is certainly appropriate, but the exact phrase was a quote of Cheney himself, who infamously said it to Senator Leahy on the Senate floor. Normally, the only time Bush and Cheney talk to people who aren’t in the government is at carefully controlled functions, where they’re insulated from the tens of millions of people who’d like to tell them to go fuck themselves. It was nice to see Cheney in an environment where he might be confronted by the honest opinion of an ordinary American. Hope he dies soon. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476/84 "2005-09-10T04:07:07Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This was discussed at excruciating length in the Pit. I think at the end, everybody agreed that Penn did help a little bit - he was/is/I don’t know there to write an article for Rolling Stone. Not just a “little bit.” Larry King specifically asked Penn what he did and Penn said that his boat and the boats that were with his group brought about 40 people to dry land. Penn was also defended by the New Orleans Chief of Police, who said Penn “walked the walk.” This wasn’t mentioned on Larry King, but it was reported elsewhere that Penn gave some of the people he rescued cash out of his pocket, which, you’d think by some people’s reaction, makes him even more of a jerk. On topic, I made that Daily Show a “Keep Until I Delete” item in my Tivo. It’s gonna be there until that Tivo’s hard drive fails. ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476/85 "2005-09-10T07:21:39Z")
Just as an aside, here’s the guy who yelled at Cheney: [http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne\_jackson\_\_050909\_physician\_who\_told\_o.htm](http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_jackson__050909_physician_who_told_o.htm) And here he is again: [http://wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15089&page=1&pp=40](http://wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15089&page=1&pp=40) Damn, I wish he was my doctor 😃 . ---
**Author:** ![The\_New\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@The\_New\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_New_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476/86 "2005-09-10T07:36:01Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > **CK** : I hope this is the right forum still… what I want to debate is not “is Bush X” but “Did Jon Stewart do a good job of convincing us that Bush is X”, so it seems like this should still be the right place… Max, I’m guessing that he wanted us to drop it, since the warning appeared directly after my post. If you want to debate it, I think you should start a new thread in a different forum. ---
**Author:** ![The\_New\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@The\_New\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_New_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476/87 "2005-09-10T08:10:18Z")
> [@thwartme](#): > > Stewart immediately made a joke about being a fake news show, and how they don’t really do research. When his guest tried to press the point, Jon changed the subject. I very vaguely remember that episode. Wasn’t he being sarcastic when he said they don’t do research, in a self-deprecating kind of way? I mean, obviously they do research. That _sounds_ like his typical style of putting himself down to try to get a laugh. He’s constantly saying how he’s not funny, he’s a bad actor, he does a lousy Bush impersonation, etc. I’m wondering if perhaps he said that not with the intention of hiding behind it, but rather as an _admission_ that they screwed up. I’m sort of remembering it that way, but my memory is sketchy too. He didn’t _deny_ that it was true, did he? If he were actually _hiding_ behind the “fake news” thing, he would have said something like, “Oh, we didn’t mean that - it was just a joke”, and I don’t believe he actually did that. I think for the charge to stick, we would need a solid example of them running a story that was obviously intended to be factual (and it’s usually pretty easy to tell the difference), being wrong, and then later claiming it was “just a joke”. I’m not aware of TDS ever doing that. I mean, he never went back and said, “When we reported about the judge’s name being released, we were just kidding”, did he? That’s usually what critics mean when they level charges of “hiding behind the fake news”. Also, I’m curious how _you_ would have had him react. What _should_ he have said that wouldn’t result in your branding him as “hiding behind the fake news”? Hope I’m not getting off-topic again… ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476/88 "2005-09-10T08:21:35Z")
> [@betenoir](#): > > Just as an aside, here’s the guy who yelled at Cheney: > > [http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne\_jackson\_\_050909\_physician\_who\_told\_o.htm](http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_jackson__050909_physician_who_told_o.htm) > > And here he is again: > > [Buy a Domain Name - World's Best Domains For Sale](http://wincoast.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15089&page=1&pp=40) > Damn, I wish he was my doctor 😃 . Not me, I hope I never meet him in a doctor/patient situation. He’s an emergency room doc! I’d like to know him socially though. What a cool guy! Thanks for those links. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476/89 "2005-09-10T19:37:04Z")
> [@](#): > > To clarify: even though the title of this thead refers to “The Daily Show” on Tuesday, September 6, the thread has stayed alive long enough for people to start referring to things from Wednesday and Thursday. The videotape of Cheney in New Orleans, pretending to care, and a passerby saying “Go fuck yourself, Mr. Cheney” was on last night (Thursday). Correcting myself: it was Gulfport, not New Orleans. ---
**Author:** ![thwartme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@thwartme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thwartme)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2005, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476/90 "2005-09-10T20:26:28Z")
> [@The New Guy](#): > > Also, I’m curious how _you_ would have had him react. What _should_ he have said that wouldn’t result in your branding him as “hiding behind the fake news”? > > Hope I’m not getting off-topic again… Let’s see… a self-deprecating remark that doesn’t also absolve them of having made a mistake… “You’re right. We’re not very good at this.” “We had the same fact-checkers as the Bush administration.” “Dan Rather filed that report.” “Congratulations! You’ve won our weekly spot-the-error contest.” Clearly, I’m not a comedy writer. Look, I’m a big fan of JS and TDS. But they intentionally blur the line between comedy and reporting all the time. They can expect to get called on it once in a while. thwartme ---
**Author:** ![The\_New\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/35a633/32.png) [@The\_New\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_New_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2005, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476/91 "2005-09-11T01:36:29Z")
> [@thwartme](#): > > Let’s see… a self-deprecating remark that doesn’t also absolve them of having made a mistake… > > “You’re right. We’re not very good at this.” > “We had the same fact-checkers as the Bush administration.” > “Dan Rather filed that report.” > “Congratulations! You’ve won our weekly spot-the-error contest.” I guess I’m missing something then, because I don’t see a gigantic difference between any of those and “We don’t really do research”. I guess I don’t see how saying “We’re not very good at this” _wouldn’t_ absolve them, but saying “We don’t really do research” would. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jon-stewart-9-6-05/320476.md?page=4)