# Jonathan Chance, I think this thread deserved a Warning **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [March 15, 2017, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-i-think-this-thread-deserved-a-warning/782228 "2017-03-15T12:18:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-i-think-this-thread-deserved-a-warning/782228/81 "2017-03-23T19:51:44Z")
In the second post JC moves a vague JAQing off OP to the pit. Even on a left leaning board a lot of people take it as an opportunity to make fun, directly or indirectly, of that OP. It only takes till post #11 for the troll word to get floated. Moving it to the Pit and letting the rest happen seems like excellent moderation to me. I have a hard time seeing what rule got violated anyway to rate a warning. I could see a pattern of those types of threads over time resulting in some mod guidance to stop it. That would be justification but it depends on the guidance having been given. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-i-think-this-thread-deserved-a-warning/782228/82 "2017-03-23T22:09:53Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > What you need to understand WRT issues like this is that it’s not like a guy like Trump either has no faults or has a sexual relationship with his daughter. There’s enormous middle ground between those two positions. So you don’t get to make far out accusations and then reject any countering of them with the assertion that this amounts to “defend[ing] the pig”. > > In any event, this is probably too far afield from ATMB territory, so I don’t intend to continue this discussion after this post. And what you need to understand is that going out of your way to interpret something in a way that is favorable (or at least not unfavorable) to him does make it seem like you support him. You’ve already moved the goalposts. No one said he had a sexual relationship with his daughter. We’re simply referencing the fact that he has bragged about how hot his daughter is, and said that, if she weren’t his daughter, he’d want to date her. We have actual video evidence of this. The evidence was flat out given to you, so you can’t say you didn’t know. You see Trump being awful, and you try to twist it into it not being what it seems. You focus on maybe one word instead of the overall picture. So, yeah, you come off as defending Trump. Why else do you need to try to make the objective evidence not seem as bad as it is? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-i-think-this-thread-deserved-a-warning/782228/83 "2017-03-23T22:18:32Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You’ve already moved the goalposts. No one said he had a sexual relationship with his daughter. We’re simply referencing the fact that he has bragged about how hot his daughter is, and said that, if she weren’t his daughter, he’d want to date her. I’ve said I don’t intend to continue discussion of the issue of what the cites support. But since you’re misrepresenting the context of this discussion, I’m going to clarify that. In another thread, someone suggested that Trump had a sexual relationship with his daughter. Look it up if necessary; it’s linked in this thread. The reason it’s linked here is that the OP of this thread cited it as an example of a post that should have been modded, as it was a “vile slur”. Running Coach countered that by claiming that Trump “_was pleased when H. Stern described Ivanka as “a piece of ass”. He described her developing breasts and expressed his desire to be dating her_”. Please try to understand the context of a discussion before commenting on it, if possible. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-i-think-this-thread-deserved-a-warning/782228/84 "2017-03-24T00:27:40Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I’ve said I don’t intend to continue discussion of the issue of what the cites support. But since you’re misrepresenting the context of this discussion, I’m going to clarify that. > > In another thread, someone suggested that Trump had a sexual relationship with his daughter. Look it up if necessary; it’s linked in this thread. The reason it’s linked here is that the OP of this thread cited it as an example of a post that should have been modded, as it was a “vile slur”. Running Coach countered that by claiming that Trump “_was pleased when H. Stern described Ivanka as “a piece of ass”. He described her developing breasts and expressed his desire to be dating her_”. > > Please try to understand the context of a discussion before commenting on it, if possible. Well, no. Not in reality. The post clearly was using Trump’s habit of making false claims and insisting upon their truth to make a false claim. How do I know that? She says so explicitly. > [@](#): > > So I’m going to take the Pub stance on this: If you are trying to make a point about misrepresentation you are laughably undermining it. So I’ll give you some badly needed help. I think Trump and Ivanka have had a sexual relationship since before she hit puberty. There. Now what? ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-i-think-this-thread-deserved-a-warning/782228/85 "2017-03-24T00:36:02Z")
On the whole, I find **running coach** ’s remarks to be more true than false. He incorrectly identified which daughter was one year old for that conversation, but Trump did express concern about how large her breasts would become. Trump did agree that Stern could call his daughter, Ivanka, a “piece of ass”. While raving about how hot she is. He did express the sentiment that, if she were not his daughter, he might be dating her. His statement at that time came off rather creepy, as in _“and maybe even though she is my daughter”_ kind of way. But that’s a more subjective evaluation. Objectively, he asserted that she is hot enough that he would like to date her, _if only_… As for the OP, a Warning and disappearing the thread are ridiculous requests. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-i-think-this-thread-deserved-a-warning/782228/86 "2017-03-24T05:21:14Z")
**P** rofessional **P** ilots **Ru** mor **Ne** twork, apparently. PPRuNe. Clever. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-i-think-this-thread-deserved-a-warning/782228/87 "2017-03-24T12:51:41Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Well, no. Not in reality. The post clearly was using Trump’s habit of making false claims and insisting upon their truth to make a false claim. How do I know that? She says so explicitly. You’re missing the boat. Even if your dubious interpretation of the GD post were correct, it wouldn’t apply here. running coach was clearly attempting to support the plain reading of that post as being about Donald and Ivanka Trump having a sexual relationship. So what’s relevant is whether his cites support that claim. Revisionist readings of the GD post are irrelevant. > [@](#): > > So I’ll give you some badly needed help. I think Trump and Ivanka have had a sexual relationship since before she hit puberty. > > There. Now what? Nice of you to “help”, but it’s not necessary, and ISTM this is more about you. Whatever turns you on, bro. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-i-think-this-thread-deserved-a-warning/782228/88 "2017-03-24T15:37:49Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Nice of you to “help”, but it’s not necessary, and ISTM this is more about you. Whatever turns you on, bro. And there you go, this is what a stand on conservative principles looks like. Those of you who want to continue the fight out in the real world can be reassured that they will be just as sturdy there. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-i-think-this-thread-deserved-a-warning/782228/89 "2017-03-24T17:03:46Z")
**Moderator Action** Since this is devolving into a discussion focused on Trump and not board issues, I think this thread has outlived its usefulness. Those who wish to continue expressing their feelings about Trump are welcome to do so in more appropriate forums like GD or the Pit. This is closed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-i-think-this-thread-deserved-a-warning/782228.md?page=4)