# Jonathan Chance, where IS that list of things I'm supposed to remain silent on? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [May 10, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147 "2014-05-10T21:08:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/101 "2014-05-12T03:59:46Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > History [repeats itself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17365703&postcount=144). As I asked in a [previous thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=707577), what subjects are you going to demand that I remain silent on? This isn’t about me violating board rules, it’s about you personally being offended that I dare to criticize the American Right. You keep Warning me while ignoring statements from other people that are much more inflammatory - as long as they aren’t aimed at the Right. Well, I guess I’ll be on the veranda, since you’re already on the cross. In the posts by **Terr** that you’ve quoted, **Terr** doesn’t actually _SAY_ “child killer.” He referred to someone killing a child, but doesn’t single out anyone in particular. I think that’s an important distinction. You know what I honestly think, **Der**? I think that you’re generally so goddamned bored, you have to invent things to bitch about, so you seem to have a very thin skin, and look for any perceived slight to get your panties in a wad about. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/102 "2014-05-12T07:45:45Z")
Question to the mods: why was this post not mod-noted (AFAIK)? My emphasis: > [@How come conservatives are against abortion?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-conservatives-are-against-abortion/688063/6): > > **Before Der Trihs gets here** , I’ll go ahead and say that to some extent, conservatives and evalgelicals (unfortunately, including conservative and evangelical women) simply aren’t comfortable with empowering women. \*\*DT \*\*wasn’t even in the thread yet, and was being called out in GD by name for anticipated behaviour. That he later went on to live up to the expectations is besides the point, IMO. “Give a dog a bad name…” and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/103 "2014-05-12T07:49:33Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Oh, I really would recommend that you give reading a try. Who knows - you might even find that it’s useful. Ah, you’re at liberty to call me deluded and wrong all you like, but Satan will be hosting skiiing holidays before you can cast aspersions on my reading comprehension. Sorry if you didn’t like my precis, but it wasn’t down to inability to read. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/104 "2014-05-12T07:50:43Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > In the posts by **Terr** that you’ve quoted, **Terr** doesn’t actually _SAY_ “child killer.” He referred to someone killing a child That’s a distinction without difference. > [@](#): > > , but doesn’t single out anyone in particular. I think that’s an important distinction. That’s no distinction at all, since DT didn’t single anyone out either. And if the argument is that “conservatives” can include people posting in that thread, the same argument applies to “women who have had abortions.” ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/105 "2014-05-12T08:17:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Question to the mods: why was this post not mod-noted (AFAIK)? My emphasis: On what grounds were you expecting it to be mod noted? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/106 "2014-05-12T08:50:47Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > On what grounds were you expecting it to be mod noted? It’s a very mild form of trolling, IMO - calling him out, by name, _before_ he’s actually posted anything inflammatory in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/107 "2014-05-12T09:00:06Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > That’s a distinction without difference.That’s no distinction at all, since DT didn’t single anyone out either. That’s a moronic defense of the guy. It frustrates me that I have had to point this out twice in the last two weeks. Oddly enough, the first time was in an unrelated thread in response to somebody I know doesn’t like **Der Trihs**. How can people on both sides be this stupid? I come here for intelligent commentary for fucks’s sake. You don’t _have_ to single somebody out to insult them. This is about [bigotry](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot). The instant you insult a group, you are using a stereotype to insult every member of that group. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/108 "2014-05-12T09:14:00Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > You don’t _have_ to single somebody out to insult them. This is about [bigotry](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot). The instant you insult a group, you are using a stereotype to insult every member of that group. I’m _not_ disagreeing with this point - I’m saying if **DT** did it (IMO, he did), then **Terr** did it too, and the argument was that **Terr** _wasn’t_ doing that…that he wasn’t targeting any people on the Board when it’s bleeding obvious there are women here who’ve had abortions. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/109 "2014-05-12T09:16:26Z")
It’s somehow reassuring to know that Der can lay down the vitriol in GD _before he posts a single word_. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/110 "2014-05-12T09:23:05Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m _not_ disagreeing with this point - I’m saying if **DT** did it (IMO, he did), then **Terr** did it too, and the argument was that **Terr** _wasn’t_ doing that…that he wasn’t targeting any people on the Board when it’s bleeding obvious there are women here who’ve had abortions. I don’t care what **Terr** did or did not do. It’s not a competition. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/111 "2014-05-12T09:32:41Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > It’s somehow reassuring to know that Der can lay down the vitriol in GD _before he posts a single word_. Hmm. You do know that he wrote words in ATMB to start this thread right? There’s even links and shit to show you a thread where he wrote actual words. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/112 "2014-05-12T09:41:36Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > I don’t care what **Terr** did or did not do. It’s not a competition. Good thing it wasn’t your post I was replying to, then, isn’t it? You quoted my reply to **Superdude** , which very much _was_ about **Terr**. So if you don’t care about **Terr** , how about you just not reply _to posts about **Terr** _?:dubious: Yes, yes, Fallacy of Two Wrongs, blaah blaah. Doesn’t remove the question of why **DT** gets warned and **Terr** doesn’t for the same class of behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/113 "2014-05-12T10:11:09Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Doesn’t remove the question of why **DT** gets warned and **Terr** doesn’t for the same class of behaviour. That’s irrelevant and you _know that_. Yeah blah blah blah blah, but you _know that_. “He did it too!” is not a good argument. And you _know that_. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/114 "2014-05-12T10:14:58Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > It’s a very mild form of trolling, IMO - calling him out, by name, _before_ he’s actually posted anything inflammatory in the thread. I don’t see how anticipating a poster’s (extremely) predictable behaviour is trolling. Especially when you’re trying to express a milder version of the poster’s screed. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/115 "2014-05-12T10:15:52Z")
> [@How come conservatives are against abortion?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-conservatives-are-against-abortion/688063/6): > > Question to the mods: why was this post not mod-noted (AFAIK)? My emphasis: > > > [@How come conservatives are against abortion?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-come-conservatives-are-against-abortion/688063/6): > > > > **Before Der Trihs gets here** , I’ll go ahead and say that to some extent, conservatives and evalgelicals (unfortunately, including conservative and evangelical women) simply aren’t comfortable with empowering women. > > \*\*DT \*\*wasn’t even in the thread yet, and was being called out in GD by name for anticipated behaviour. That he later went on to live up to the expectations is besides the point, IMO. “Give a dog a bad name…” and all that. Well, I did not Mod it because I never saw it and no one reported it. My guess is that Jonathan Chance may also have not seen it. At this point, I will not go back three days and over 200 posts to add a note. I have Modded such shots at uninvolved posters and I will continue to do so. However, the seriousness of the offense does tend to set up a sort of “statute of limitations” on many offenses and I judge that it has expired on that particular post. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/116 "2014-05-12T10:16:56Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Yes, yes, Fallacy of Two Wrongs, blaah blaah. Doesn’t remove the question of why **DT** gets warned and **Terr** doesn’t for the same class of behaviour. As armedmonkey points out, you know you’re committing a fallacy, yet bulling ahead and doing it anyway. May I suggest you open another thread? Because frankly, I agree that Terr’s remarks deserve moderation, and would rather the issue not be conflated. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/117 "2014-05-12T10:18:41Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Well, I did not Mod it because I never saw it and no one reported it. My guess is that Jonathan Chance may also have not seen it. > At this point, I will not go back three days and over 200 posts to add a note. I have Modded such shots at uninvolved posters and I will continue to do so. However, the seriousness of the offense does tend to set up a sort of “statute of limitations” on many offenses and I judge that it has expired on that particular post. But he’s not even taking a shot at DT. He’s expressing that he agrees with the same sentiment that he expects from DT, in milder terms. Unless I’m being whooshed. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/118 "2014-05-12T10:28:02Z")
> [@bldysabba](#): > > But he’s not even taking a shot at DT. He’s expressing that he agrees with the same sentiment that he expects from DT, in milder terms. Unless I’m being whooshed. Which figures into the judgment regarding “statute of limitations.” However, as phrased, had I seen it, I would have told the poster to not call out other posters in that way. It is one thing to invoke one of our lawyer posters by saying “_can we get a legal opinion from **PosterA**?_” It is a bit different to say “_I want to get my view posted before **PosterB** gets here and muddies the water._” ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/119 "2014-05-12T10:47:52Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > This post really, _really_ bugs me. It does sound like you are saying it’s OK to hate somebody because they believe in something you don’t because, hey, they can take it. From a pure logical standpoint, I have a problem with that. I’ve explained this already in post 90. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Women are “the most powerful of groups”? True. Although he’s got some pretty…special…views on dating and relationships, I don’t see his attitude toward women as comparable to his attitude toward Republicans and religious leaders. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147/120 "2014-05-12T11:13:15Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’ve explained this already in post 90. No ETA: I’ve never actually drunkenly assaulted anyone either. Well, there was one time - but he started it [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance-where-is-that-list-of-things-im-supposed-to-remain-silent-on/688147.md?page=7)