# Jonathan Chance

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502>\
**Category:** About This Message Board\
**Created:** [December 15, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502 "2015-12-15T04:45:24Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/1 "2015-12-15T04:45:24Z")

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You have mischaracterized my post.

> **[Republicans, help me understand the thinking (of Trump)](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=778172)**
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> I’ll preface this with the fact that I watch the debates and read a lot to keep me informed of the upcoming elections BUT realize my bias and ignorance will still come into play. I’ve been reading a lot that a fear of the GOP is that Trump will...

I had it right the first time. It’s not about Trump. Please refrain from adding your personal bias to my thoughts.

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**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/2 "2015-12-15T04:59:07Z")

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What was the original subject line?

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**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/3 "2015-12-15T05:35:00Z")

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Without the ‘Trump’ part. It’s about why republicans don’t try to win across the board - in other words, why not endorse the candidate that has the best chance against Hillary.  
It’s not about Trump. That’s JCs spin.

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/4 "2015-12-15T11:29:12Z")

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We’re supposed to used “descriptive titles” so people have some idea what the thread is about. How is anyone supposed to determine that from your original title? You say your OP is not about Trump, but I certainly read it that way (and I saw it before the title change).

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**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/5 "2015-12-15T12:30:14Z")

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After **Jonathan Chance** ’s update the title reads as if the OP wants feedback regarding Trump’s thinking. In reality he is looking for feedback regarding the thinking of the Republican Party with regards to Trump. I can see where the OP might feel that the new title no longer reflects what he was asking.

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/6 "2015-12-15T13:55:25Z")

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That wasn’t my read of your OP nor that of the reports I got.

Still. If you’d prefer something else that’s more descriptive of your thinking - other than the original title - I’m glad to change it. But please be more specific in the future.

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/7 "2015-12-15T13:57:53Z")

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I don’t know; it seemed pretty clear to me, too. The OP is about thinking _about_ Trump, not about thinking _by_ Trump.

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**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/8 "2015-12-15T14:06:05Z")

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> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#):
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> That wasn’t my read of your OP nor that of the reports I got.

So multiple people sent post reports to the moderation team that said “wah, this OP text doesn’t match the title, please do something to change the title”?

This is an odd place.

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**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/9 "2015-12-15T14:44:09Z")

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> [@CairoCarol](#):
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> So multiple people sent post reports to the moderation team that said “wah, this OP text doesn’t match the title, please do something to change the title”?
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> This is an odd place.

You think that “Republicans, help me understand the thinking” is a reasonably descriptive thread title?

It’s not that the OP doesn’t match the title, it’s that the title didn’t give much of an idea of what the OP was about.

If you want a title that accurately reflects your ideas, the best strategy is to provide one yourself in the first place.

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**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/10 "2015-12-15T15:53:18Z")

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> [@Chronos](#):
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> I don’t know; it seemed pretty clear to me, too. The OP is about thinking _about_ Trump, not about thinking _by_ Trump.

The title was perfectly clear to me and I for one had no confusion with the title and the OP.

> [@CairoCarol](#):
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> So multiple people sent post reports to the moderation team that said “wah, this OP text doesn’t match the title, please do something to change the title”?
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> This is an odd place.

Well this is the board of:

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> thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.

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**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/11 "2015-12-15T15:55:43Z")

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And I can’t help but notice that the OP hasn’t provided a very descriptive title for this thread, either. 😉

Which I only mention because lack of descriptive thread titles is one of those perennial annoyances of all boards which are so easily solved if thread starters would just give it a second or two more thought before posting.

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**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/12 "2015-12-15T16:17:21Z")

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> [@White SIFL](#):
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> You have mischaracterized my post.
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> [Republicans, help me understand the thinking (of Trump) - Politics & Elections - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=778172)
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> I had it right the first time. It’s not about Trump. Please refrain from adding your personal bias to my thoughts.

By the way, the quickest and easiest way to solve this problem would have been to report the post or send a PM to the mod in question pointing it out and asking the mod to change edit the title to the way you wanted it.

Is there some reason you didn’t pursue this simple remedy?

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**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/13 "2015-12-15T16:35:04Z")

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> [@wolfpup](#):
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> And I can’t help but notice that the OP hasn’t provided a very descriptive title for this thread, either. 😉
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> Which I only mention because lack of descriptive thread titles is one of those perennial annoyances of all boards which are so easily solved if thread starters would just give it a second or two more thought before posting.

Ridiculous. I always use descriptive titles. In these two cases the forum is so narrowly defined that the title I used for each should be understandable.

Still, for the easily bothered I will strive to do better in the future.

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**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/14 "2015-12-15T16:36:42Z")

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> [@White SIFL](#):
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> Ridiculous. I always use descriptive titles. In these two cases the forum is so narrowly defined that the title I used for each should be understandable.

They weren’t.

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**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/15 "2015-12-15T16:41:04Z")

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> [@Colibri](#):
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> By the way, the quickest and easiest way to solve this problem would have been to report the post or send a PM to the mod in question pointing it out and asking the mod to change edit the title to the way you wanted it.
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> Is there some reason you didn’t pursue this simple remedy?

On reflection I see this would have been the proper recourse. Not that it’s an excuse but I was having a really bad day. Really bad.

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/16 "2015-12-15T17:14:43Z")

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We all do, from time to time. Send me a PM with a preferred title and I’m glad to change it.

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/17 "2015-12-15T17:18:03Z")

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> [@White SIFL](#):
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> Ridiculous. I always use descriptive titles. In these two cases the forum is so narrowly defined that the title I used for each should be understandable.
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> Still, for the easily bothered I will strive to do better in the future.

“Republicans, help me understand the thinking”. You really think people will know what that’s about? The thinking _ **about what???** _

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**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/18 "2015-12-15T18:44:23Z")

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> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> “Republicans, help me understand the thinking”. You really think people will know what that’s about? The thinking _ **about what???** _

Well, it was in the Election forum…

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**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/19 "2015-12-15T18:47:16Z")

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> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#):
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> We all do, from time to time. Send me a PM with a preferred title and I’m glad to change it.

Thanks JC. It probably won’t matter so just let it ride. I do appreciate the offer.

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chance/740502/20 "2015-12-15T21:19:15Z")

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> [@White SIFL](#):
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> Well, it was in the Election forum…

“Republicans, help me understand the thinking _about the Election_” still is not “descriptive” in terms of letting people know what, specifically, you want to talk about. Do you _really_ not understand that? The thinking _by whom_ about _what specifically_? This is not brain surgery.

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