# Jonathan Chance's warning to Shodan **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [December 11, 2015, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141 "2015-12-11T02:17:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/1 "2015-12-11T02:17:32Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18927977#post18927977](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18927977#post18927977) This thread started with a question about the use of the word “falsehood” in GD. Post #9, Shodan made a comment about TomnDeb’s style of moderation. Post #10, JC replied "This is not the place for such, Shodan. You know that. " Post #11, Shodan asked “Where do you suggest - the Pit, or GD?” POst #14, JC handed out a warning. "I told you to stop. You didn’t. " I think this warning was simply wrong. First point. The thread and the post were made in ATMB. That IS the place for complaints about moderation. The statement that “This is not the place” is simply wrong. Maybe JC saw it as a hijack. In that case, he should have said something like “start a new thread” If he objected to the tone, (which \* would\*be reasonable) he should have said "dial back the hostility. " If \*this \*is his beef, then the words “this is not the place” are still wrong. Second point. Shodan DID stop when told. He made no further comment about Tom’s moderation. His second post was a question where IS the place. And that’s a reasonable response to the instruction. Third point. Isn’t JC out of his jurisdiction? JC is authorised to police Great Debates. I thought moderators were supposed to stick to their own areas, and not interfere with other mods’ territory. If JC spots misbehaviour in ATMB, should he not alert the ATMB mods, and leave them to deal with it? At least, that’s how I thought it works. All I can think is, JC forgot where he was. Maybe he thought that he was in GD, and this mistake of fact led to an inappropriate warning. That’s the only reason I can think for saying “This is not the place.” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/2 "2015-12-11T02:25:28Z")
**Shodan** has a long history of harping on this particular issue about **tom**. If he has been asked previously to drop that subject, then I can see the warning. If not, then I agree the warning was not deserved. Just for the record, I chuckled at that post that got the warning. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/3 "2015-12-11T02:29:21Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > **Shodan** has a long history of harping on this particular issue about **tom**. If he has been asked previously to drop that subject, then I can see the warning. If not, then I agree the warning was not deserved. > > Just for the record, I chuckled at that post that got the warning. What subject? he was asking JC where he should consider posting his criticisms. Why he was warned for that is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/4 "2015-12-11T02:31:23Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > What subject? he was asking JC where he should consider posting his criticisms. Why he was warned for that is beyond me. Harping about **tom’s** moderating style. I’m open to the possibility that **Shodan** has been asked in the past to stop hijacking ATMB threads to rip on **tom**. If that is the case, then I think the warning was deserved. If not, then I don’t think it was deserved. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/5 "2015-12-11T02:33:02Z")
But he wasn’t doing that in the post he got warned for. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/6 "2015-12-11T04:31:26Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > But he wasn’t doing that in the post he got warned for. If he had been admonished before, then there is no forum where he should continue. So, yeah, in that case he was still “doing it”. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/7 "2015-12-11T05:24:32Z")
I decided to start a thread on the mod loop about it several hours ago. The consensus is that Shodan walked up to the line but was not clearly over it. For the record, I meant that specific thread was not the place to take a shot at Tom. Shodan has made a small scale hobby of making this complaint and I didn’t want to see the thread derailed. I was unclear. I won’t be in the future. As you all - and Shodan does, too - know, ATMB is the place to register disagreements with moderator actions. But that doesn’t mean that every thread is the place to register all disagreements. Shodan should have taken it elsewhere and - again - I should have made that clearer. The warning is rescinded. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/8 "2015-12-11T05:28:07Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I decided to start a thread on the mod loop about it several hours ago. The consensus is that Shodan walked up to the line but was not clearly over it. > > For the record, I meant that specific thread was not the place to take a shot at Tom. Shodan has made a small scale hobby of making this complaint and I didn’t want to see the thread derailed. I was unclear. I won’t be in the future. > > As you all - and Shodan does, too - know, ATMB is the place to register disagreements with moderator actions. But that doesn’t mean that every thread is the place to register all disagreements. Shodan should have taken it elsewhere and - again - I should have made that clearer. > > The warning is rescinded. Well played JC 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/9 "2015-12-11T06:04:24Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > I decided to start a thread on the mod loop about it several hours ago. The consensus is that Shodan walked up to the line but was not clearly over it. > > For the record, I meant that specific thread was not the place to take a shot at Tom. Shodan has made a small scale hobby of making this complaint and I didn’t want to see the thread derailed. I was unclear. I won’t be in the future. > > As you all - and Shodan does, too - know, ATMB is the place to register disagreements with moderator actions. But that doesn’t mean that every thread is the place to register all disagreements. Shodan should have taken it elsewhere and - again - I should have made that clearer. > > The warning is rescinded. Except this has never been the case in the past. I lobbied for this sort of thing when I first got here, and was shut down completely. Sure, a hijack may be told to go to a new thread, but never just a singel comment. While I appreciate you taking the time to reconsider decisions, it would be far better if you could see these things happening ahead of time, and head them off. My advice is to never assume that the person you are responding to knows what they did wrong. It doesn’t even read as plausible that Shodan understood what it was you were talking about–he thought you were saying “Don’t complain about the mods.” When I saw his posts earlier, I fully read them posts as “ **JC** doesn’t know what **tomndebb** thinks because **tom** is inconsistent in his moderation,” and “where am I supposed to comment on moderation if not ATMB?”–both just said in a rather snarky manner. Though, I admit that it doesn’t help that I agree with his complaints with **tom**. I complained about it when I first got here. He does seem inconsistent–as if he moderates based on intuition rather than by any fixed set of rules. You do it too (see above) but your intuition isn’t as good. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/10 "2015-12-11T13:16:05Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Shodan has a long history of harping on this particular issue about tom. If he has been asked previously to drop that subject, then I can see the warning [/QUOTE] FTR - no, I have not been asked to drop the subject. **Jonathan Chance** was the first in that thread to mention that he did not know what **tomndebb** ’s rules were for GD. If mentioning it was a hijack, it wasn’t my hijack. > [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > The warning is rescinded. Thanks for this. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/11 "2015-12-11T13:47:32Z")
Every time a warning is rescinded, an angel gets its wings. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/12 "2015-12-11T14:21:14Z")
I was puzzled by **JC** ’s comment as well. “This is not the place.” Since the Great Pit Shift of '09, we have been told over and over again that the only place to comment on moderation by mods is in ATMB. When **JC** said “This is not the place”, to a comment about a mod in a thread in ATMB, it sounded to me like he was telling **Shodan** to take it to one of the other forums. **Shodan’s** request for clarification was appropriate: if not ATMB, where? I’ve never heard “this is not the place” used to mean “you’re hi-jacking this thread” which is I guess what **JC** was trying to say? 😕 In any event, the warning’s been rescinded. It’s a Christmas miracle! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/13 "2015-12-11T14:40:04Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > FTR - no, I have not been asked to drop the subject. Yes, I see that. Agree then that the warning should have been dropped, and nice to see that it was. ---
**Author:** ![buddha\_david](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ee7513/32.png) [@buddha\_david](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buddha_david)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/14 "2015-12-11T14:54:31Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Every time a warning is rescinded, an angel gets its wings. Every time a warning is rescinded, a kitten masturbates. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/15 "2015-12-11T16:17:24Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Well played JC 🙂 Agreed! ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/16 "2015-12-11T16:18:17Z")
Likewise. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/17 "2015-12-12T00:09:47Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Every time a warning is rescinded, an angel gets its wings. Must have been a full-scale celestial jubilee when **Marley23** ’s mass bannination was corrected. ---
**Author:** ![orangeapples](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@orangeapples](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orangeapples)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/18 "2015-12-12T00:46:34Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Every time a warning is rescinded, a kitten masturbates. I suspect I enjoyed that far more than any sane man should. ---
**Author:** ![piepiepie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@piepiepie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/piepiepie)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/19 "2015-12-12T00:54:35Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Must have been a full-scale celestial jubilee when **Marley23** ’s mass bannination was corrected. An unfortunate increase in blind kittens, though. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2015, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141/20 "2015-12-12T01:39:40Z")
> [@piepiepie](#): > > An unfortunate increase in blind kittens, though. The blind mice will be relieved. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonathan-chances-warning-to-shodan/740141.md?page=2)