Still interested if anyone has an answer to this question.
The OP asserted that Pollard will die in prison. Does anyone know who gets to decide on whether he will be released on his projected release date?
Maybe - but I wasn’t talking about Pollard, I was talking about my government.
Utterly false, based on a false concept of “natural state” that leaves no room to even consider anything humanity has ever done to try to improve itself.
You’re simply rationalizing your own refusal to help the rest of us do anything to improve it. What that has to do with Pollard is to help explain how you, or anyone, can consider it appropriate to let him out of prison. It shows you put “Israel, fuck yeah!” as a higher principle than, well, anything else.
No, just someone who recognizes that you have to really want peace, and work for it, to get it.
Show us any evidence that Netanyahu, or the Israeli public that elected him, wants peace (and getting the ragheads to accept their subjugation in their Bantustans isn’t peace). Or else let your little pout there help show your Nixon-to-China comparison to be utterly inappropriate.
I’m amazed you can even see the computer screen, from the height of your horse.
Are you claiming no-one in the Israeli public wants peace?
If so, I think “making fun of you” is more in order. 
He has a life sentence but as a model prisoner he can get out in 2015 on parole. Not having murdered anyone directly and having served nearly 30 years, he will probably be paroled. Parole may interfere with leaving the country to go to Israel.
[QUOTE=Malthus;12940080Are you claiming no-one in the Israeli public wants peace? [/quote]
*You *are claiming that Netanyahu does. Your evidence, requested once again, is … ? :dubious:
The evidence that *you *do can wait.
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… which is, once again, somethingh you simply invented.
You doofus, you genuinely don’t know the difference between something I say, and my summary of what the article in the OP says, do you?
I said:
Article says:
How the hell you spin this into me saying N. genuinely longs to embrace peacefullness - well, is beyond me. It’s N’s sell.
You really are very stupid.
That comes from your failed “Nixon in China” analogy, elsewhere. As you know. :rolleyes:
Now go outside and play. The grownups are talking.
Incidentally, this is one of the many weird things about US-Israeli relations, to my mind. Absolutely, Israel is a democratic state that’s been a staunch US ally and punches way above its weight both economically and militarily - these are good reasons to value good relations with Israel. But, as Alessan and others have said repeatedly in this thread - Israel is a foreign state like any other. If I’m a Russia or China hawk, other people might say that my foreign policy views are wrong - but there won’t be the connotation of bigotry that comes with being “anti-Israel.”
Also, the extreme flight risk he poses may interfere with his parole.
As one who didn’t know much about Pollard until just now reading his wiki article, I say:
Fuck him. Let the son of a bitch rot.
The apology, however, came after more than a decade of Israel denying that he was a known and sanctioned spy. Also, the apology might be somewhat more meaningful if, y’know, Israel actually stopped spying and trying to steal US industrial and military secrets.
Which was to explain why the “sell” works - just as I said.
You asked why the US would buy it; I answered the reason - he could pose as “Nixon in China”, selling the ‘betrayal’ of a peace deal to his right-wing supporters if he "got’’ something in return - that is, US concessions on Pollard.
This says nothing of his sincerity in seeking peace. You merely lept to the assumption that I’m of the opinion N. is an apostle of sweet reason and peace or something - and started off in high dudgeon that, for reasons best known to you, you are unwilling to give up - I suppose because it would be painfully humiliating for you to admit you were clearly wrong.
Still waiting for you to present any reason whatsoever to believe that’s what Netanyahu wants, in the face of all the evidence to the contrary …
Fool.
I don’t think there’s a really strong feeling in the US about Pollard one way or the other. I mean, Americans don’t generally think about Jonathan Pollard.
I never even heard of him before this thread and I’m kind of surprised at the vehemence.
Heh, when you are in a hole you can’t help but dig yourself deeper.
Didn’t Netanyahu RUN on getting Pollard released? Isn’t he some sort of national hero? Its not some bitter pill that Netanyahu is swallowing when he petitions for Pollards release, is it?
Frankly if releasing this one miserable man would bring Israel to act farily and in good faith, I’d be OK with it but Israel will do nothing of the sort, they will take Pollard and still say that Jerusalem and the right fo return are off the table. they want Pollard in exchange for doing what they will have no choice but doing anyways.