# JonBenét Ramsay murder case discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 23, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633 "2011-06-23T23:58:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/1 "2011-06-23T23:58:10Z")
Don’t hate me for opening this can of worms, but in another thread I asked a question hoping for a short answer, but this is hijacking the other thread so I thought I should try to help move the discussion here. I should have known this would happen, I am guilty. Sorry. ☹ from the other thread: > [@Anyone following the Casey Anthony trial?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/212): > > (hijack)What’s the story on JonBenét?(end hijack) > [@Anyone following the Casey Anthony trial?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/217): > > Off topic, but if you read everything about the JonBenet case there is only 1 person who did it that explains EVERYTHING. > [@Anyone following the Casey Anthony trial?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/222): > > Okay. Who? > [@Anyone following the Casey Anthony trial?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/anyone-following-the-casey-anthony-trial/583652/223): > > The DNA on the body did not match anyone on the family. They are all excluded. It’s called science. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/2 "2011-06-24T00:01:12Z")
I’ve believed since the beginning that Santa Claus did it. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/3 "2011-06-24T00:12:15Z")
I will never stop believing the mom had something to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/4 "2011-06-24T00:23:40Z")
I thought for sure the parents, until the stuff about the same unknown male DNA found on two separate items of her clothing. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/5 "2011-06-24T00:29:19Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > I will never stop believing the mom had something to do with it. This. There was some seriously weird wagon circling, lawyering up, and ass covering going on almost immediately after it happened. Some might say the rich are different than you and me, but they are not _that_ different. In a normal family, rich or poor that has just lost a minor child lawyering up is way, way down the list of priorities. For the Ramsey’s it was mission one. Was it the mom, the dad, or her brother.. or someone else? The dad (and the deceased mom) know who killed that little girl. ---
**Author:** ![Otara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Otara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otara)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/6 "2011-06-24T00:35:01Z")
A dead child with no immediate suspicious circumstances maybe, but strangled in your own house is a very different situation. I think it would be extremely prudent to be getting a lawyer immediately. Otara ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/7 "2011-06-24T00:41:54Z")
The draft(s?) of the ransom note asked for $118,000, which matched what Mr. Ramsey’s work bonus was, so I think it was someone who was close enough to them to know that detail of their financial lives. ---
**Author:** ![Markxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@Markxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Markxxx)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/8 "2011-06-24T00:53:56Z")
Look to _the Family Circus_ for the answers. [Dolly](http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/1228/447fy.jpg), [Billy](http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/1933/448wc.jpg) and [Jeffy](http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9643/449u.jpg) all have their theories. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/9 "2011-06-24T01:00:08Z")
I know a police chief from another city in the county, and the chiefs held a monthly get together to discuss what was going on around the county. As far as the Boulder police were concerned at the time, the mom, Patsy, either did it or was covering up for someone in the family. As far as the DNA goes, there was plenty of it from family members, but because they all lived under the same roof, it didn’t really mean anything. The dad carried the body up from the basement - of course his DNA was on it. ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/10 "2011-06-24T01:04:33Z")
But **Lamar** , the DNA that I was talking about does not belong to any family member, or to anyone connected with the case at all. So that’s very…mysterious. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/11 "2011-06-24T01:10:18Z")
There was never a shred of evidence pointing to the Ramseys. All the evidence pointed to an intruder. The Ramseys were eventually formally cleared as suspects. The fact that they hired lawyers means nothing. Anybody _should_ if they are in that situation, and once they do, no lawyer worth his or salt is going to let them talk to the cops. I remember when Elizabeth Smart first got snatched. There was a lot of suspicion about those parents too. ---
**Author:** ![5-HT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/f19dbf/32.png) [@5-HT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5-HT)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/12 "2011-06-24T01:19:02Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > There was never a shred of evidence pointing to the Ramseys. All the evidence pointed to an intruder. The Ramseys were eventually formally cleared as suspects. The fact that they hired lawyers means nothing. Anybody _should_ if they are in that situation, and once they do, no lawyer worth his or salt is going to let them talk to the cops. I didn’t really follow the case much beyond the early stages, and at the time I thought the parents probably did it. Years later I went back and read more in depth about it and came to the same conclusion **Diogenes** did. I would be very, very shocked if the parents had anything to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/13 "2011-06-24T02:15:55Z")
> [@astro](#): > > 1. There was some seriously weird wagon circling, lawyering up, and ass covering going on almost immediately after it happened. > > 2.The dad (and the deceased mom) know who killed that little girl. 1. Yes. 2. Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/14 "2011-06-24T02:16:56Z")
> [@5-HT](#): > > I didn’t really follow the case much beyond the early stages, and at the time I thought the parents probably did it. Years later I went back and read more in depth about it and came to the same conclusion **Diogenes** did. I would be very, very shocked if the parents had anything to do with it. The parents did not kill JonBenet. They both were devastated. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/15 "2011-06-24T02:18:29Z")
Her brother didn’t kill her either, if that’s what you think. ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/16 "2011-06-24T02:21:22Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > All the evidence pointed to an intruder. Nope! There really was no real evidence of any intruder, no evidence of a break-in. Now just who would take JonBenet and then stay in the house find a note pad and then spend an hour writing a ransom note, and after that then hide the body in the basement? ---
**Author:** ![minlokwat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/minlokwat/32/2844_2.png) [@minlokwat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minlokwat)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/17 "2011-06-24T02:26:13Z")
What \*\*Dio \*\*said. I remember one of the investigators saying there was no way in hell a parent or family member would do that to their child. JonBenet was murdered by strangulation via garroting by use of a paint brush handle. Her skull also showed signs of blunt trauma impact. The investigator reasoned that had one of the family members actually committed the killing, there would have to have been clear, documented signs of past mental illness. There were none. The media jumped on the sensational aspects of JonBenet’s involvement in those kiddie beauty pageants which most found distasteful if not downright sleazy. The public, ever in need of someone to blame, chose the mom. Combining that with a comically inept handling from the Boulder police and some perplexing aspects from the ransom note and everyone had a theory. ---
**Author:** ![YaraMateo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/58f4c7/32.png) [@YaraMateo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YaraMateo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/18 "2011-06-24T02:27:18Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > I will never stop believing the mom had something to do with it. Looking back at a lot of things in the way she lived, I think Jonbenet was sexually abused and her parents were aware. I think they sold their daughter. I also think that weirdo that confessed to it a few years back knows more than he’s letting on. Maybe he wrote the note, but I think there’s a killer we don’t know of. ---
**Author:** ![Susanann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ab992/32.png) [@Susanann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Susanann)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/19 "2011-06-24T02:29:57Z")
> [@sugaree](#): > > I thought for sure the parents, until the stuff about the same unknown male DNA found on two separate items of her clothing. Not conclusive. The DNA could have been a secondary carrier transfer. For example, if I were to strangle you with my uncles old longjohns you might get some of his DNA on your neck, on your shirt collar, and under your fingernails. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633/20 "2011-06-24T02:30:17Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > Nope! > > There really was no real evidence of any intruder, no evidence of a break-in. Now just who would take JonBenet and then stay in the house find a note pad and then spend an hour writing a ransom note, and after that then hide the body in the basement? Just spit it out, or so help me god… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jonbenet-ramsay-murder-case-discussion/586633.md?page=2)