# Josf, the Amusing Technicolor Turncoat **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 26, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984 "2015-08-26T20:00:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/1 "2015-08-26T20:00:00Z")
Since thread winner’s privilege is apparently _not_ a thing, [this gargantufuck](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=764204) of a thread is now closed and its OP, despite his concerns from the first post (and frequently repeated afterward) that he’d be the subject of “character assassination”, he has not been insulted to _nearly_ the necessary degree. Josf, your freemen views are childish, idiotic, and childishly idiotic. It’s perhaps our failing as a message board that we assumed that your use of English, eccentric though it is, was indicative of a thought process at work and we attempted to reach that thought process. Sadly, we viewed you the way you view the legal system - as a puzzle that can be solved by finding the right magic phrase. IT’S FUCKING FUTILE, YOU TRAITOROUS ASSHOLE. You’re an adult with a baby’s sense of object persistence. Laws and history don’t cease to exist just because you closed your eyes, plugged your ears and copy/pasted another John Adams text for the fifth or sixth time. I am not “offering” this opinion and there is no “joinder” to be denied if you refuse to accept. You ARE a gullible fucking imbecile who has bought into a philosophy sold by charlatans, thugs and cranks, and you frankly need a short harsh lesson at the hands of the legal system, should they ever take notice of you and display even less patience than this board has. You can claim concern that some paperwork wasn’t filed properly in the 1780s. That’s your right as an utter moron. Those of us grounded in reality can claim concern that freeman and SovCit bullshit is wasting the time (and sometimes the lives) of police and courts. Sadly, your experience here has likely only hardened your Junior Jumbled views and you’ll be spamming somewhere else by and by. In the meantime, please do not buy guns. Please do not file liens, please do not do ANYTHING that could inconvenience or put at risk the sane people around you who view taxes as a necessary burden to keep society functioning and not some mangled form of pseudoslavery to be avoided if you click your ruby slippers three times. Please keep the public nature of your stupidity to the occasional YouTube rant. Maybe one day you can be immortalized as yet another freeman tasing target, and the amusement value we derive will be the sole extent of your positive contribution to society. Or alternately, and even better, you could grow the fuck up. Until then, I accept you as valueless. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/2 "2015-08-26T20:19:20Z")
I stopped following that thread early on, because it wasn’t making any sense. Is that the bottom line? He was one of those boobs arguing that one or more constitutional amendments weren’t properly ratified? Sheesh. Even creationists make more sense than those dipshits. ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/3 "2015-08-26T20:28:48Z")
This isn’t one of those guys who cites the Articles of Confederation as the end-all, be-all rule of law that magically allows him to avoid any consequences for his action, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/4 "2015-08-26T20:30:04Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I stopped following that thread early on, because it wasn’t making any sense. > > Is that the bottom line? He was one of those boobs arguing that one or more constitutional amendments weren’t properly ratified? > > Sheesh. Even creationists make more sense than those dipshits. It wasn’t coherent enough to be amusing. I have to wonder why anyone would want to open the discussion back up. It’s more satisfying to run head first into a brick wall repeatedly. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/5 "2015-08-26T20:37:14Z")
I think this case goes beyond “loopy conspiracy theorist holding court on the Internet.” I think this dude has problems. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/6 "2015-08-26T20:41:52Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > This isn’t one of those guys who cites the Articles of Confederation as the end-all, be-all rule of law that magically allows him to avoid any consequences for his action, is it? It’s usually the Uniform Commercial Code. Which makes even less sense. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/7 "2015-08-26T20:44:43Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It’s usually the Uniform Commercial Code. Which makes even less sense. It’s simple. The strawman that is Mr LOACH is a corporate construct therefore it can only be addressed under the UCC and Maritime Code. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/8 "2015-08-26T20:49:09Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It’s usually the Uniform Commercial Code. Which makes even less sense. Not the way _he_ did it, believe me. If you had any belief in ghosts, they would have been dashed by page 3…because surely the ghost of John Adams would have risen up out of disgust and kicked his ass. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/9 "2015-08-26T21:30:16Z")
I glanced at that thread after seeing the OP’s link. I couldn’t get through the first page, but did crack a smile at the following. madriscool, seeming to me to be a nice guy about things, recieves a smack-down for the effort. (copied from Divisions of Rule Yabba Dabba Doo thread) madsircool : Im guessing english isnt his first language so give the guy some slack Josf (snipped) madsircool wrote: “Im guessing english isnt his first language so give the guy some slack” The spell checker reports 3 errors in the above English sentence. Is that an example of transference or projection, and is that an example of clean debate? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/10 "2015-08-26T21:42:18Z")
This is offered for consideration: > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Since thread winner’s privilege is apparently _not_ a thing, [this gargantufuck](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=764204) of a thread is now closed and its OP, despite his concerns from the first post (and frequently repeated afterward) that he’d be the subject of “character assassination”, he has not been insulted to _nearly_ the necessary degree. > > Josf, your freemen views are childish, idiotic, and childishly idiotic. It’s perhaps our failing as a message board that we assumed that your use of English, eccentric though it is, was indicative of a thought process at work and we attempted to reach that thought process. Sadly, we viewed you the way you view the legal system - as a puzzle that can be solved by finding the right magic phrase. > > IT’S FUCKING FUTILE, YOU TRAITOROUS ASSHOLE. > You’re an adult with a baby’s sense of object persistence. Laws and history don’t cease to exist just because you closed your eyes, plugged your ears and copy/pasted another John Adams text for the fifth or sixth time. I am not “offering” this opinion and there is no “joinder” to be denied if you refuse to accept. You ARE a gullible fucking imbecile who has bought into a philosophy sold by charlatans, thugs and cranks, and you frankly need a short harsh lesson at the hands of the legal system, should they ever take notice of you and display even less patience than this board has. > > You can claim concern that some paperwork wasn’t filed properly in the 1780s. That’s your right as an utter moron. Those of us grounded in reality can claim concern that freeman and SovCit bullshit is wasting the time (and sometimes the lives) of police and courts. Sadly, your experience here has likely only hardened your Junior Jumbled views and you’ll be spamming somewhere else by and by. In the meantime, please do not buy guns. Please do not file liens, please do not do ANYTHING that could inconvenience or put at risk the sane people around you who view taxes as a necessary burden to keep society functioning and not some mangled form of pseudoslavery to be avoided if you click your ruby slippers three times. > > Please keep the public nature of your stupidity to the occasional YouTube rant. Maybe one day you can be immortalized as yet another freeman tasing target, and the amusement value we derive will be the sole extent of your positive contribution to society. > > Or alternately, and even better, you could grow the fuck up. > > Until then, I accept you as valueless. Value, being defined as a thing of value. Or a valuable thing. Meaning force of law cannot set value, but men agreeing upon value do accept it as value. ---
**Author:** ![cutman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@cutman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cutman74)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/11 "2015-08-27T00:17:28Z")
Holy shit! I just recently emerged from a rabbit hole that I could not possibly describe with the skill of C.S. Lewis. I would like to first thank Josf for whatever the fuck that just was, and then thank all of you dopers (you know who you are) for giving me the most comprehensive understanding of the United States Constitution and its origin that I’ve ever had. Once again a round of applause for Josf for provoking learned people to put forth a coherent argument on the origin of the Constitution and its meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/12 "2015-08-27T01:09:11Z")
Guy is either brilliant or dumb as a rock. We’ll never know as those pesky things we call words get in the way. (Which is a nice way of saying it’s the latter) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/13 "2015-08-27T05:15:59Z")
I’d just love to hear this guy order lunch. Can you imagine? “Yes, I see there is no breakfast but you have the ingredients and methods available to make me refuted toast with butter, or is that not a true element of dining out?” ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/14 "2015-08-27T05:44:32Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I think this case goes beyond “loopy conspiracy theorist holding court on the Internet.” I think this dude has problems. There may have been some organic considerations. On about page 6 or 8 of that thread I started to go meta. Kudos to other posters for trying to parse his argument. At any rate study of Velokovsky’s crackpottery lead to greater insights regarding the scientific method. I had wondered whether there was anything to be learned his walls of text. It’s possible that he has jargon aphasia, but I don’t think that’s the only operative factor. Over at the crackpot website, one Joe Kelly liked to list local legal contacts with the idea of emailing or telephoning them to …constitute common law grand juries? I wasn’t sure. At any rate I found those posts to be more readable. [http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/san-bernardino-county](http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/san-bernardino-county) I think that Josf felt protective of his ideas and used jargon to encase himself in a sort of cocoon. It’s hard to substantively object to someone who is incomprehensible. That said, we’ve seen a number of short lived posters who have an agenda but refuse to really engage in debate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/15 "2015-08-27T12:30:52Z")
> [@cutman74](#): > > Holy shit! I just recently emerged from a rabbit hole that I could not possibly describe with the skill of C.S. Lewis. I would like to first thank Josf for whatever the fuck that just was, and then thank all of you dopers (you know who you are) for giving me the most comprehensive understanding of the United States Constitution and its origin that I’ve ever had. Once again a round of applause for Josf for provoking learned people to put forth a coherent argument on the origin of the Constitution and its meaning. Concur wholeheartedly. I don’t think I ever made it completely through any of Josf’s posts; I always started to read them, but about 1/4 of the way through my eyes began to glaze over and I couldn’t finish. But I knew that there were several readers who had more intestinal fortitude than I who would read it and provide a deconstruction of the ramshackle foundation that Josf’s wall o’ words had just constructed. And I was never disappointed. So add my thanks to the Dopers that fought ignorance in the trenches and sent it packing. Perhaps someday a topic will arise that will allow me to return the favor. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/16 "2015-08-27T13:18:25Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Concur wholeheartedly. I don’t think I ever made it completely through any of Josf’s posts; I always started to read them, but about 1/4 of the way through my eyes began to glaze over and I couldn’t finish. > > But I knew that there were several readers who had more intestinal fortitude than I who would read it and provide a deconstruction of the ramshackle foundation that Josf’s wall o’ words had just constructed. And I was never disappointed. > > So add my thanks to the Dopers that fought ignorance in the trenches and sent it packing. Perhaps someday a topic will arise that will allow me to return the favor. This lacks the vituperation expected in this forum. Unclean pitting number, uh, er, who the fuck cares? ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/17 "2015-08-27T15:46:43Z")
Most of that thread was a complete waste of time, but **josf** did have two stylistic tics that I enjoyed: 1. His description of every post as an “offering”; and 2. The constant irrelevant assertion of bizarre dichotomies, such as the division of the world into those who describe every post as an “offering” and those who don’t. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/18 "2015-08-27T15:50:05Z")
Well, to be fair there are two types of people in the world: those who think there are two types of people in the world, and those who don’t. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/19 "2015-08-27T15:57:29Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Well, to be fair there are two types of people in the world: those who think there are two types of people in the world, and those who don’t. No, there are 10 types of people in the world. Those who use binary, and those who don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984/20 "2015-08-27T16:26:17Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > No, there are 10 types of people in the world. Those who use binary, and those who don’t. There are two types of people in the world, those who can extrapolate from incomplete data… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josf-the-amusing-technicolor-turncoat/728984.md?page=2)