# Josh Duggar - Ashley Madison Account **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 19, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289 "2015-08-19T21:48:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2015, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/201 "2015-08-27T21:13:18Z")
So, how long before they’re out of business, or will people keep signing up and paying? ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/202 "2015-08-28T15:39:26Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Apparently there were pretty close to Zero real women “using” the site: > [Almost None of the Women in the Ashley Madison Database Ever Used the Site [Updated]](http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-database-1725558944) > > It was a scam. You don’t say. If there is one thing of which I am tolerably certain in this increasingly uncertain world, it is that Charlie Brown is never going to get to kick that football Lucy is holding for him. ---
**Author:** ![gallows\_fodder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@gallows\_fodder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gallows_fodder)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/203 "2015-08-28T17:01:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Apparently there were pretty close to Zero real women “using” the site: > [Almost None of the Women in the Ashley Madison Database Ever Used the Site [Updated]](http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-database-1725558944) > > It was a scam. This is a great paragraph from that article: > [@](#): > > What I discovered was that the world of Ashley Madison was a far more dystopian place than anyone had realized. This isn’t a debauched wonderland of men cheating on their wives. It isn’t even a sadscape of 31 million men competing to attract those 5.5 million women in the database. Instead, it’s like a science fictional future where every woman on Earth is dead, and some Dilbert-like engineer has replaced them with badly-designed robots. Oh and > [@](#): > > “Out of 5.5 million female accounts, roughly zero percent had ever shown any kind of activity at all, after the day they were created. Ashley Madison employees did a pretty decent job making their millions of women’s accounts look alive. They left the data in these inactive accounts visible to men, showing nicknames, pictures, sexy comments. But when it came to data that was only visible on to company admins, they got sloppy… Either way, we’re left with data that suggests Ashley Madison is a site where tens of millions of men write mail, chat, and spend money for women who aren’t there.” Pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/204 "2015-08-28T17:26:39Z")
> [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](#): > > That is, 99% of their customers, or 100% of those who actually paid, yes? Wouldn’t normally be considered ethical business practice with those figures. I don’t think a website founded on the premise of affair facilitation was concerned about ethics. They probably felt justified scamming the paid male customers. I don’t know. Whole thing is strange. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/205 "2015-08-28T17:28:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Apparently there were pretty close to Zero real women “using” the site: > [Almost None of the Women in the Ashley Madison Database Ever Used the Site [Updated]](http://gizmodo.com/almost-none-of-the-women-in-the-ashley-madison-database-1725558944) > > It was a scam. For comment, we now take you live to our field reporter, Nelson Muntz. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/206 "2015-08-28T17:30:31Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > I don’t think a website founded on the premise of affair facilitation was concerned about ethics. They probably felt justified scamming the paid male customers. I don’t know. Whole thing is strange. And they don’t have to worry about anyone suing them for fraud. No one is going to publicly complain about their business practices. A perfect scam. But I’m actually shocked that so many men signed up for this. Is it that hard to find someone to have an affair with these days? ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/207 "2015-08-28T17:32:55Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > And they don’t have to worry about anyone suing them for fraud. No one is going to publicly complain about their business practices. A perfect scam. But I’m actually shocked that so many men signed up for this. Is it that hard to find someone to have an affair with these days? I guess it is. AM “guaranteed” a discrete affair. Trying to troll for your own affair would be a very risky activity plus it seems like a lot of work, AM supposedly did all that work for you. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/208 "2015-08-28T18:47:20Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > I guess it is. AM “guaranteed” a discrete affair. Trying to troll for your own affair would be a very risky activity plus it seems like a lot of work, AM supposedly did all that work for you. Right, the idea of the website makes sense. Having an affair with someone from work or someone else you know, you risk other people finding out about it. You could look for people on regular dating sites, but maybe worry about people you know seeing you. Or you think that AM will be easier to use and more direct rather than the flirting and back and forth of women looking for relationships on other sites. AM did do some advertising, and probably got some word of mouth advertising from people talking about it and how outrageous it is that there’s a website like that. It was a well set up scam though, especially things like the “affair guarantee”, because who is going to sue for their money when they didn’t have an affair like promised? But I’m sure that some people will sue now that their information wasn’t deleted when AM said it would be deleted. There’s no harm in suing now if your name is already out there. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/209 "2015-08-28T18:56:10Z")
Huh. I always thought it was a covert prostitution ring. And now it turns out not even that was going on? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/210 "2015-08-28T19:17:34Z")
Well, people paid them money and got screwed… ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/211 "2015-08-28T19:26:49Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Well, people paid them money and got screwed… zing! ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/212 "2015-08-28T19:37:40Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > It was a well set up scam though, especially things like the “affair guarantee”, because who is going to sue for their money when they didn’t have an affair like promised? It may not have intentionally been a scam - the company, early on, may have thought that it would work and they’d get women on the site. It must have become one pretty soon, though. It’s almost impressive how many people must have been involved, and yet nobody spilled before now. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/213 "2015-08-28T21:54:31Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Are all their speaking engagements gone? I would think some of them would be, but that there are still some diehard fans. And that the Duggars could spin things about “fighting the evils of the world” because it’s really Satan and modern life that causes temptation and that’s why you have to stay distant from it. From the reaction I’m seeing online, the leg-humpers are having a harder time explaining this away. It was easy for them to say “Aww he was just a kid when he touched his sisters” This seems to be different to them. For me, him touching his sisters is way worse than him cheating on his wife. But, after all, I am just a godless heathen. What do I know. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2015, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/214 "2015-08-28T22:36:23Z")
Sam Lowry: > [@](#): > > It was a well set up scam though, especially things like the “affair guarantee”, because who is going to sue for their money when they didn’t have an affair like promised? Now that the data’s been publicly posted and the would-be-secretive-ones have been exposed, they might get called to account for that. It’s also possible that (unbeknownst to us) the ones who paid for the “affair guarantee” do get a prostitute hired on the sly by AM, but they don’t have actual accounts on the site. ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/215 "2015-08-29T00:42:41Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > From the reaction I’m seeing online, the leg-humpers are having a harder time explaining this away. It was easy for them to say “Aww he was just a kid when he touched his sisters” This seems to be different to them. For me, him touching his sisters is way worse than him cheating on his wife. But, after all, I am just a godless heathen. What do I know. With the molesting thing it was easy to say that Josh was simply a sexually curious boy who repented and went on to become an upstanding husband and father. There’s just no way to defend this kind of religious hypocrisy. Even _People_ Magazine, which has been working with the Duggars the last few years, did a total 180 on them in the latest issue. It exposes their patriarchy, sexual repression and wife-blaming. This family is done. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/216 "2015-08-29T01:13:51Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > With the molesting thing it was easy to say that Josh was simply a sexually curious boy who repented and went on to become an upstanding husband and father. There’s just no way to defend this kind of religious hypocrisy. > > Even _People_ Magazine, which has been working with the Duggars the last few years, did a total 180 on them in the latest issue. It exposes their patriarchy, sexual repression and wife-blaming. This family is done. I think what’s done is having people try and pretend they are good people. I don’t think what’s done is the mockery they have earned and deserve. At least I hope not. I’ve been having them shoved down my throat as fabulous souls rather than the completely dreadful American Taliban they are for about a decade. I want to see them mocked in the public square for at least a few years. I want to see at least a few of the Duggar kids walk away from their parents and call them out for all the shitty things the parent have done to them – the neglect, the lack of a decent education, the religious brainwashing, the attempt to force sexism down their throats. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/217 "2015-08-29T02:07:15Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > On some level I feel bad for Josh. He was brainwashed from a young age to ignore and suppress his natural sexual urges, and that probably contributed to them coming out in destructive ways. “If they would just let us _jerk off_…” - Loki, _Dogma_ ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/218 "2015-08-29T02:39:34Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > Well gawd dang, if my hubs ever kicks the bucket I’m opening another profile. It’s like a guranteed free pick your flavor buffett for women. I was scared by the almost instant attention for the one day I was on there it chased me off. Thank goodness though, I would have made a huge mistake, and it would have been easy apparently. Why wait, you’re obviously itching to wreck a train somehow or other. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/219 "2015-08-29T03:42:45Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > With the molesting thing it was easy to say that Josh was simply a sexually curious boy who repented and went on to become an upstanding husband and father. There’s just no way to defend this kind of religious hypocrisy. > > Even _People_ Magazine, which has been working with the Duggars the last few years, did a total 180 on them in the latest issue. It exposes their patriarchy, sexual repression and wife-blaming. This family is done. Man I hope so. There is nothing but the stench of rottenness coming out of this family. And it all started at the top. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289/220 "2015-08-29T04:29:52Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Why wait, you’re obviously itching to wreck a train somehow or other. Nope, that left the station already. No train wrecks this time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account/728289.md?page=12)