# Josh Duggar (Duggar kid 1/19) to be executive director of Family Research Council **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369 "2013-06-19T16:22:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/281 "2015-05-24T05:47:41Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Depends on the audience. If I’m among friends I might want to correct their ignorance or mine if there is a cite for the claim available. In the general public I’d let it go, why risk my public image for some ass I’d rather see run out of town. I wouldn’t chime in on the accusers behalf either that person is also wrong. Wow. How about on a board that supposedly has a strong interest in fighting ignorance? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/282 "2015-05-24T05:48:43Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > How is this even relevant? Do you know where the words in italics came from? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/283 "2015-05-24T05:49:57Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I’d tuck a _probably_, or _likely_, or _apparently_, or _to all appearances_, or _according to their homeschooling manual_, in there. > > But I try to not make absolute statements. I don’t always do it. But I try. It’s the way to tell me from Der Trihs. I didn’t ask what you would do. I asked if the statement was correct. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/284 "2015-05-24T05:51:57Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Now that The **Dio** Show has been cancelled, does this mean we’re going to be watching The **Bricker** Show instead? > > Can we at least say that it’s probably likely that, given their views on modesty and sexuality (not even allowed to hold hands until a person’s engaged, and you can’t even kiss until you’re freaking married!), that their daughters are much more likely to believe themselves responsible, even if their parents don’t follow that belief? Given that many victims of sexual abuse blame themselves, and that these girls have been taught that they’re supposed to remain “pure” until their wedding night, that they may be feeling some type of guilt for what happened? “Did I not dress modestly enough? Did I give him reason to think he could do this to me?” “Did I incite him to commit a sin?” etc. > > I’m not saying that perhaps they were blamed for this. But we’re not rational individuals, and I could definetly see a girl living in that environment be that much more likely to feel dirty after something like that happening. Especially given that I don’t recall anything about them receiving counseling, just Josh (and that was just going and helping some friend of his family at some camp) Yes, that seems very possible. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/285 "2015-05-24T05:58:47Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Wow. > > How about on a board that supposedly has a strong interest in fighting ignorance? Considering how this debate is going, do you think you are being more effective fighting ignorance or damaging your public image? I’d say they later, which is why I’d let it go. It’s not a thread where people are really concerned about the facts. The issue is no one really wants to debate the subject, it’s mud slinging, you’re just getting dirty playing along. It probably belongs in the pit where people can just express their outrage and move on. If the facts are truly important to you I’d start a thread in Great Debates or something, where there is a real expectation of cites. Doubt you’ll find many participants though. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/286 "2015-05-24T05:59:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I didn’t ask what you would do. I asked if the statement was correct. And from my answer, what do you think I think? If I would do something, do you think that something is, in my opinion, \*right \*or _wrong_? ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/287 "2015-05-24T06:14:26Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Firmly entrenched? You know you can be fired for being gay in 29 states? That remains try because organizations like FRC. > > The Family Research Council has spent decades demonizing LGBT people and convincing politicians to vote against the passage of any laws that protect gay people. To claim they aren’t bad people is ridiculous. They are horrible people who have told lies about LGBT people to oppress them. > > The money they receive isn’t just used in the US it is also used in other countries to promote anti gay laws. While the tide is changing in the US, the tides been forced the other way in countries like Uganda due to influence of this organization and others like them. > > They’re the supposed ‘Christian’ organization when they had power and opportunity to forgive they offered nothing. I’m under no obligation to offer their bigoted beliefs mercy they should be exposed repeatedly till the light of day burns them out of existence. > > Josh Duggar is a horrible person for being a member of Focus on Family. He’s likely a horrible person for committing sexual assaults as well. I’ll let Bricker dance around the issue of proof on the second, he seems to like defending awful people. As usual, he has no clue what he’s blathering on about. He never does. And now the thread has become completely monopolized by the ridiculously pointless rules-lawyering of one who has no desire to have actual reasoned discourse, but instead to just derail everyone else because their opinions counter his beliefs. So as such, I’m bailing on this circus. Hopefully those who are still fighting the good fight _on topic_ will forgo any more diversionary tactics. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/288 "2015-05-24T06:17:15Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > Do you understand what it means to be a bloviating pettifogger, and do you know why your presence here is shitting up the thread? I just want to say that I put “bloviating pettifogger” into a Google search and this thread is the first thing that came up. I’m not entirely sure what that means, but it’s probably not good. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/289 "2015-05-24T06:23:50Z")
To be fair to **Bricker** , I don’t think he’s defending Duggar. Just playing lawyer and semantics Nazi like he always does. It gets really old after awhile, dude. Oh, and **aceplace57** , [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=757628) is for you. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/290 "2015-05-24T11:37:58Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > What appears to me to be “on topic,” is the freedom to level any accusation whatsoever against the hated Duggars. > [@Bricker](#): > > And if someone else posted that Josh was an arsonist, you’d just let it go, or maybe chime in, so no one would ever think you were an ass that supports horrible people? Do you notice that NOBODY IS ACCUSING HIM OF BEING AN ARSONIST? Nobody is leveling “any accusation whatsoever” against him. Nobody has accused him of eating babies or of kicking puppies or of ghost-writing Fifty Shades of Gray or of eating the last doughnut and leaving the box on the table or of being the true identity of Jack the Ripper. People have accused him of believing one of the things that his cult leader espouses, a thing that is very commonly associated with a belief that women and girls must focus on extreme modesty in their dress in order not to inflame men. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/291 "2015-05-24T11:41:54Z")
No, he’s just running the Bricker show, taking it on the road. How it’s not thread shitting, is beyond me. Why anyone continues to engage when he takes over discussions like this is also beyond me. Do yourselves a favour and save your breath. He ain’t got nothing new to say, it’s just the same old endless lawyering and nitpicking of trivialities and purposeful misinterpretations. It ruins so many discussions by bringing them to a grinding halt, seemingly so we can all admire his lawyering abilities. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/292 "2015-05-24T12:50:19Z")
I reported it for thread shitting several pages ago, but got no response from the mods. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/293 "2015-05-24T13:07:50Z")
This thread is Pit material and belongs there. Even without the insults and snipes between posters, it’s pretty clear that Josh Duggar is the subject of a Pit thread. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/294 "2015-05-24T13:11:20Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Nice try. > > But you can’t transform me into the proponent. I was responding to **Honey**. The claim I made was not at all _extraordinary_ or _exaggerated_. I have been watching the Duggars for over 10 years. I have heard Jim Bob and Michelle say over and over that modesty is one of their most important beliefs. I can’t recall a single show in 10 years where that fact wasn’t mentioned. “A woman must keep modest so that she doesn’t stir up feelings in a man that cannot be righteously fulfilled” I have heard that phrase so many times, it’s burned into my brain. That phrase puts _all_ the responsibility for the man’s actions squarely on the woman’s shoulders. When they are out in public and one of the sisters sees a woman immodestly dressed she yells “Nike”! (a code word they agreed upon), all the men and boys then cast their eyes down to their shoes. So yes, they do think that the actions of the man are the fault of the woman. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/295 "2015-05-24T13:16:53Z")
The thread was critical of a child molester, but it was hardly a pit thread. Why not just correct the thread-shitter? ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/296 "2015-05-24T13:22:44Z")
Nm ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/297 "2015-05-24T14:20:10Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > If that’s what the girls received then it was terrible. > > Exposing this story now (12 years later) makes it worse. That 5 year old kid is probably a senior in high school. The comments from her classmates won’t be kind. She’s a Duggar, she doesn’t go to an actual school. And at 17, she’s already being primed for marriage if not married yet. ---
**Author:** ![Rushgeekgirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rushgeekgirl/32/3715_2.png) [@Rushgeekgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rushgeekgirl)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/298 "2015-05-24T15:22:32Z")
This has been hard for me to watch. I never paid much attention to the show. I knew what it was about and while it wasn’t for me, I have a lot of friends who enjoy it. I even defend the mom a lot because if we are demanding women have rights to make reproductive choices she has the right to have as many as she can care for. More even, and it’s not any of my business. But my little girl. Many of you know she was raped by three pre-teen boys. They stalked her. They watched to see when there might be a chance. They pretended to be her friend, her big brother even. Then one day they held her down and violated her and stole her innocence. She thought she was going to die. Its been four years now and she still has nightmares. She still clings to me and therapy, while helpful, ain’t a miracle. I do fear for her future. So fucking stop pretending that this was a case of “boys will be boys” because it’s not. Defending this sick shit doesn’t make you extra good at debate. It doesn’t make you come off as smarter than the pack. It just makes you sound like a clueless asshole who gets off on arguing more than considering the reality of the situation. I mean, I know you like your show and I get that they’re Christians so this is a “sensitive issue” for believers. But the shit I’ve seen? It’s disgusting. Excusing his actions I can ALMOST understand because as a young person someone else should have been chaperoning his alone time activities. Especially after it happened. But we know they didn’t protect their girls. We know they let him come home and they had to be around him. It would be like me allowing those rapists to come back and play with my daughter because aw shucks boys will be boys and it’s only natural or them to stick their fingers in little girls’ panties, right? Sick. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/299 "2015-05-24T15:38:05Z")
If you’ve got Jesus, your life will never be ruined. Faith isn’t supposed to help you get through the good times…when you’re mugging on TV and everyone loves you. It’s supposed to strengthen in you in bad times. Surely these Christian warriors expected that their star would eventually fall. So don’t weep for them too much, **ace**. Besides, being forgiven does not mean you don’t have to face consequences for your actions. There are plenty of people sitting in jail right now who are repentant too. Now, I do think it is a shame that youthful malfeasance can follow a person into their adulthood. The way those kids are raised, it’s no wonder a teenaged boy would feel he could get away with what he did. But if a person is going to capitalize on his wholesome, moral righteousness as Josh has done as an adult, he needs to be rather open about his bad history too. Christians love them some “come to Jesus” stories, so such honesty wouldn’t have been a career-destroying move necessarily. Maybe if Josh had disclosed his sordid history and had testimony on how he overcame his demons (not literally), then maybe he and his parents wouldn’t come across as such two-faced hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/300 "2015-05-24T15:41:10Z")
**Rusheekgirl** , I am sincerely sorry to read your story, and wish your daughter well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=16)