# Josh Duggar (Duggar kid 1/19) to be executive director of Family Research Council **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369 "2013-06-19T16:22:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/361 "2015-05-26T06:15:17Z")
Yeah, I saw that. Eeeew. ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/362 "2015-05-26T15:28:25Z")
Well, to be fair, they _are_ from Arkansas. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/363 "2015-05-26T22:39:38Z")
Ooo boy…when ol’ Jim Bob was running for Senate, he expressed some interesting ideas on [incest and its punishment](http://defamer.gawker.com/duggar-dads-political-platform-incest-should-be-punish-1706929035). ---
**Author:** ![Sattua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sattua/32/11906_2.png) [@Sattua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sattua)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/364 "2015-05-26T22:50:39Z")
Yeah. I guess the real question is, did he want the death penalty for brothers who finger their little sisters, or for little sisters who tempt their brothers by salaciously being asleep? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2015, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/365 "2015-05-26T23:11:42Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > [Here’s a video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0vSNSIGASE) making rounds on Reddit., where Josh makes a joke about incest. Not saying it’s damning, but the news makes you look at that joke differently. And it was “a good movie” that you had to be at least 18 to see. 😉 In other news more [advertisers](https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/more-advertisers-pull-19-kids-202500221.html). Warning that’s a video clip of Mama June at the end of the article, and she may actually have a point about TLC. Now that I’ve typed that I feel the urge to soak both my keypad and hands in bleach. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/366 "2015-05-27T00:01:00Z")
> [@Sattua](#): > > Yeah. I guess the real question is, did he want the death penalty for brothers who finger their little sisters, or for little sisters who tempt their brothers by salaciously being asleep? I’m expecting someone from the Duggar camp to come forward in the next few days and try to explain that what he did wasn’t really incest. \>.\< ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/367 "2015-05-27T00:09:06Z")
What I’m afraid of is what’s been discussed on Free Jinger: they’ll have specials where they make those poor girls tell the world how everything has been made okay because they’ve repented and prayed it all away. ☹ Just more being violated for them. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/368 "2015-05-27T04:36:40Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > [Duggar sibling sexually assaulted sisters, another female, according to police report](http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/05/21/duggar-sibling-sexually-assaulted-sisters-another-female-according-to-police-report/) > > I hope that the atonement, rehabilitation, and the forgiveness is real. I’m trying not to judge the Duggar parents on how they handled this situation, cuz honestly I don’t know what I would have done. On one hand, at least they didn’t totally ignore it. But if the family friend hadn’t gotten involved, I don’t think they would have done more than give Josh a stern talking-to. > [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Politician Mike Huckabee weighs in with a bit of [inane](http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/22/josh-duggar-mike-huckabee-showing-support-molestation-investigation-arkansas/?adid=hero5) drivel in support of them. They weren’t open and honest. They hushed it up, told the girls to shut up and tried to pretend it never happened in the first place. But he’s not gay so it’s a-okay! I don’t feel like combing the thread so in case this wasn’t posted: [The report has been ordered destroyed](http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/25/judge-links-mike-huckabee-curiously-orders-police-destroy-josh-duggar-report.html) by a judge appointed by Huckabee. Lucky thing a copy was already in the hands of _In Touch_ magazine. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/369 "2015-05-27T05:05:25Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I don’t feel like combing the thread so in case this wasn’t posted: [The report has been ordered destroyed](http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/25/judge-links-mike-huckabee-curiously-orders-police-destroy-josh-duggar-report.html) by a judge appointed by Huckabee. > > Lucky thing a copy was already in the hands of _In Touch_ magazine. The local police chief had already released the report, as required by Arkansas law, with the girls’ names redacted, also as required by Arkansas law. That isn’t stopping one Arkansas state lawmaker from calling for that police chief’s head. [From article at Raw Story](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/gop-ally-suggests-criminal-charges-for-police-chief-who-released-duggar-sex-abuse-report/): > [@](#): > > A Republican state lawmaker wants an Arkansas police chief fired — and to possibly face criminal charges — for complying with state law and releasing the police report in the Josh Duggar molestation case that a judge hastily ordered to be destroyed last week. > > State Sen. Bart Hester (R-Cave Springs) told KSFM-TV that Kathy O’Kelley, chief of the Springdale police, had harmed Duggar’s sisters and other girls he admitted to fondling as they slept in 2002, when he was 14 years old. Hester’s complaint is that the report identified the victims, which was illegal. In fact, according to this article, the girls’ names were redacted, but there was enough detail in the report to figure out who they were. ETA: BTW, the judge who ordered the report destroyed wasn’t exactly appointed by Huckabee. When Huck was gov, he had appointed her to other various positions on one commission or committee or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/370 "2015-05-27T05:11:17Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > ETA: BTW, the judge who ordered the report destroyed wasn’t exactly appointed by Huckabee. When Huck was gov, he had appointed her to other various positions on one commission or committee or whatever. Oops, should read closer. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/371 "2015-05-27T06:10:15Z")
Moving this over from the other thread, where I was starting a conversation with Aceplace about the statute of limitations. I think it really belongs here. > [@Aceplace57, what the fuck is wrong with you?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aceplace57-what-the-fuck-is-wrong-with-you/720698/71): > > My local news channel ran an article explaining it. Josh was a minor and it involved fondling. Not actual rape. > > [Statute of limitations likely to save Josh Duggar from facing judge](http://www.katv.com/story/29138824/statute-of-limitations-likely-to-save-josh-duggar-from-facing-judge) > > Many crimes in Arkansas don’t have a statute of limitations like capital and first degree murder, sexual indecency with a child, first degree sexual assault and child porn. But most crimes have limits to when action can be taken against the suspect. > > “It depends on the facts as they’re presented to you as a prosecutor,” said Hiland. > \ > > Class “A” and “Y” felonies, carry six year statutes of limitations. Class “B”, “C”, and “D” felonies carry only three year statute of limitations. But the exceptions to the rule are made again if the victim is a minor. Instances of rape and sexual assault will have no statute of limitations if the victim was under the age of 18. > > But when it comes to suspects that are minors – that’s where the grey area comes back into play. > > “If it’s sexual assault second, if it’s a minor on a minor, meaning a minor commits against a minor, then that’s the domain of the juvenile court and juvenile court loses jurisdiction over them at the age of 21,” said Hiland. I thought that there are published reports that the case was outside the statute of limitations in 2006. According to this information, because the victims were under the age of 18, that is incorrect. Josh should have been prosecuted. It is unclear whether he should be prosecuted now (no statute of limitations for crimes against minors), or whether it gets dropped because he’s outside of the Juvenile court Jurisdiction. I’m not sure I follow the logic on no statute of limitations on the one hand, but not the other. It seems to me there is an implicit statement being made that these charges are so serious there’s no time limit. If you substitute in “murder”, or other crimes for which there is no time limit, how does the court handle the fact that someone was a minor at the time of the commission of the crime but is an adult when found? If anyone knows anything about these aspects, I would like to know. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/372 "2015-05-27T14:18:33Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > The local police chief had already released the report, as required by Arkansas law, with the girls’ names redacted, also as required by Arkansas law. That isn’t stopping one Arkansas state lawmaker from calling for that police chief’s head. [From article at Raw Story](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/gop-ally-suggests-criminal-charges-for-police-chief-who-released-duggar-sex-abuse-report/): > Hester’s complaint is that the report identified the victims, which was illegal. In fact, according to this article, the girls’ names were redacted, but there was enough detail in the report to figure out who they were. > > ETA: BTW, the judge who ordered the report destroyed wasn’t exactly appointed by Huckabee. When Huck was gov, he had appointed her to other various positions on one commission or committee or whatever. Yeah, they really should have redacted the names of victims parents (Michelle and JIm Bob) as well. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/373 "2015-05-27T14:41:33Z")
> [@ddsun](#): > > Moving this over from the other thread, where I was starting a conversation with Aceplace about the statute of limitations. I think it really belongs here. > > I thought that there are published reports that the case was outside the statute of limitations in 2006. According to this information, because the victims were under the age of 18, that is incorrect. Josh should have been prosecuted. It is unclear whether he should be prosecuted now (no statute of limitations for crimes against minors), or whether it gets dropped because he’s outside of the Juvenile court Jurisdiction. I’m not sure I follow the logic on no statute of limitations on the one hand, but not the other. It seems to me there is an implicit statement being made that these charges are so serious there’s no time limit. If you substitute in “murder”, or other crimes for which there is no time limit, how does the court handle the fact that someone was a minor at the time of the commission of the crime but is an adult when found? > > If anyone knows anything about these aspects, I would like to know. From what I read, with crimes against minors in Arkansas, the clock starts ticking on statute of limitations when the offense is reported to law enforcement. There are other limits as well, such as the crime must be prosecuted prior to the victim turning 26. Since the Duggars reported this to the child porn guy, who was a police officer, the three year limit began than. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/374 "2015-05-27T14:57:21Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > From what I read, with crimes against minors in Arkansas, the clock starts ticking on statute of limitations when the offense is reported to law enforcement. There are other limits as well, such as the crime must be prosecuted prior to the victim turning 26. > > Since the Duggars reported this to the child porn guy, who was a police officer, the three year limit began than. Should have looked it up before posting. For crimes against minors, the time limit starts when either the minor turns 18, or it is reported to law enforcement. Here is the actual verbiage of the law: > [@Arkansas state Code 5-1-109](#): > > (h) If the period prescribed in subsection (b) of this section has expired, a prosecution may nevertheless be commenced for a violation of the following offenses if, when the alleged violation occurred, the offense was committed against a minor, **the violation has not previously been reported to a law enforcement agency or prosecuting attorney** , and the period prescribed in subsection (b) of this section has not expired since the victim has reached eighteen (18) years of age: For reference, what he did would fall under: > [@](#): > > (2) Class B felony, Class C felony, Class D felony, or an unclassified felony, three (3) years > **[Arkansas Code of 1987 (2023) :: Title 5 - CRIMINAL OFFENSES (§§ 5-1-101 —...](https://law.justia.com/codes/arkansas/2010/title-5/subtitle-1/chapter-1/5-1-109)** > > Ark. Code § 5-1-109 - Statute of limitations from 2023 Arkansas Code ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/375 "2015-05-27T20:26:49Z")
> [@Strassia](#): > > Should have looked it up before posting. For crimes against minors, the time limit starts when either the minor turns 18, or it is reported to law enforcement. Someone actually interviewed that trooper in prison, and he claims that [he was only told about one incident](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/ex-state-trooper-jim-bob-duggar-lied-and-told-me-his-son-had-molested-only-one-girl/). I have no idea whether this would affect any charges which could be brought against any member of the family and he’d be pretty vulnerable to cross-examination, but no doubt law enforcement will be looking into it. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/376 "2015-05-27T21:37:55Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Someone actually interviewed that trooper in prison, and he claims that [he was only told about one incident](http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/ex-state-trooper-jim-bob-duggar-lied-and-told-me-his-son-had-molested-only-one-girl/). I have no idea whether this would affect any charges which could be brought against any member of the family and he’d be pretty vulnerable to cross-examination, but no doubt law enforcement will be looking into it. No good. Best case, it would have reset the clock for the other incidents to 2006 when Oprah’s people notified authorities. That still means that shipped sailed in 2009. They would have to find an incident that was never mentioned to police. It would probably need to be a brand new, never before mentioned victim to completely sever the connection to other incidents that were reported. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/377 "2015-05-27T21:56:30Z")
It’s true that the SoL is over, but if that new story is accurate, it does further go to prove just how lying, manipulative, disgusting and money hungry these people are. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/378 "2015-05-27T22:54:38Z")
The truly bizarre thing to me, is that in this family’s (and many of their supporters’) worldview, what Josh Duggar did was no worse than if he had made out with a girl his own age, or been looking at porn on the internet. Here is a twitter quote I read here: > **[Josh Duggar And The Tale Of Two Boxes](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2015/05/josh-duggar-and-the-tale-of-two-boxes.html)** > > It seems it's conservatives who are quick to make excuses when children are sexually molested---and yet somehow conservatives are arguing that it's we progressives who don't have a problem with child molesting? What sort of upside down world is... > [@](#): > > If this boy had been experimenting with girls in a non-Christian family, then he would have been encouraged. I know a family that were proudly showing photos of the their teenage son on a trip to Disneyland unchaperoned with his girlfriend. It’s “normal.” That link goes to a blog by an ex-Quiverful woman who left that lifestyle. She has a pretty good breakdown of the mentality that sees no difference between molesting a 4 year old and having consensual sex outside of wedlock. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/379 "2015-05-27T22:57:48Z")
Bet within 6 months they will take money for some special where they make the girls tearfully go over every detail of the ordeal. Momma needs dosh! ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2015, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/380 "2015-05-27T23:38:51Z")
If there’s any good news out of all this, at least 19 (heh) sponsors so far have pulled their advertising support. That includes Ace Hardware, David’s Bridal, General Mills, Payless Shoes, CVS, Walgreens, H&R Block, Jimmy Dean, Behr, Party City, Ricola and Keurig among the biggies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=20)