# Josh Duggar (Duggar kid 1/19) to be executive director of Family Research Council **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369 "2013-06-19T16:22:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2015, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/421 "2015-06-04T22:16:18Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Wait a minute. What? That’s a **perfectly** reasonable inference. Which is more likely? > > 1. We’ve supported the ATI for years. Own their books, promote the organization, go to their annual conference, sent our son to them for counseling. BUT! We agree with them on everything _except_ this one point. > > or > > 1. We’ve supported the ATI for years. Own their books, promote the organization, go to their annual conference, sent our son to them for counseling. And as part of our commitment to the ATI, we, of course, made use of their materials on sexual abuse in counseling our sons and daughters about what happened. > > Doesn’t Occam come into play here at some point? Especially given that Michelle is on record as having used a specific term (defrauding) that is mentioned in the ATI literature and specifically places blame on the victim. > > Now you can argue that it’s not dispositive, but to say it’s not a reasonable inference? Well, **Bricker** has already declared in post #415 that he’s taken his ball and gone home and has therefore “triumphed” by default. Or something. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2015, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/422 "2015-06-04T23:23:13Z")
[Michelle’s face is priceless. Even she can’t believe what Jim Bob is saying.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHT3P-ikY-g) ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/423 "2015-06-04T23:26:03Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Well, **Bricker** has already declared in post #415 that he’s taken his ball and gone home and has therefore “triumphed” by default. Or something. I was hoping that using “dispositive” (a cool lawerly term) would tempt him back in…🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/424 "2015-06-04T23:37:04Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > [Michelle’s face is priceless. Even she can’t believe what Jim Bob is saying.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHT3P-ikY-g) I think that may be her version of “O” face. “Yeah, yeah, honey. ‘Difficult situation.’ Yeah. Yeah. Keep going with that.” I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. Throw away that goddamn bible! One misquoted verse leads to a cult every damn time. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/425 "2015-06-05T00:01:17Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > [Michelle’s face is priceless. Even she can’t believe what Jim Bob is saying.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHT3P-ikY-g) Holy shit! What a bad day for the batteries on my bullshit detector to take a shit! Damn. What a self-serving, hypocritical, lying piece of shit that guy is. When I replace the batteries in my bullshit detector, I’m sure I’ll be able to pick up some subtleties I may have missed there! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/426 "2015-06-05T00:03:48Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Holy shit! What a bad day for the batteries on my bullshit detector to take a shit! Damn. What a self-serving, hypocritical, lying piece of shit that guy is. When I replace the batteries in my bullshit detector, I’m sure I’ll be able to pick up some subtleties I may have missed there! It’s not the batteries. It’s like when you take a direct photo of a lit klieg light from point blank. It’s impossible to differentiate bullshit from non-bullshit when everything there is to detect is bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/427 "2015-06-05T00:51:00Z")
> [@CinnamonBabka](#): > > What I find amazing is that a guy who thought the response to Indiana’s RFRA was overblown because [we should just assume that the courts will treat it like any other RFRA law](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18258812&postcount=51) also thinks that we can’t assume the Duggars follow a specific teaching of Gothard simply because they’re followers of his overall philosophy. Apparently it’s safe to assume different courts in a different state with a different law will enforce it the same as other, similar laws, but it’s not safe to assume that a family who follows Gothard’s teachings follow any one particular teaching of Gothard. You have to factor in that Bricker is a dishonest person and a colossal prick. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/428 "2015-06-05T01:13:33Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You have to factor in that Bricker is a dishonest person and a colossal prick. I’m not disagreeing with your post at all, but I’d probably let him be my attorney. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/429 "2015-06-05T01:16:19Z")
Actually, Bricker is not all that interesting. This is not a thread about Bricker. There’s no reason to keep discussing him. Did I mention that Michelle, after struggling for a bit, decided that it still makes sense to keep transgender people out of the ladies room, because there’s An Agenda. It’s true! Bonus bullshit for Jim Bob’s explanation for why his son’s not really a pedophile: > [@](#): > > When Kelly implied that she had unfairly compared transgender people to child molesters given her son’s recent admissions, Michelle doubled down on that stance. > > “I think that protecting young girls and not allowing young men and men in general to go into a girls’ locker room is just common sense,” she said. “This is more about — there’s an agenda, and there’s people that are purposing to try to bring things out and twisting them to hurt and slander.” > > Jim Bob also chimed in, specifying Michelle had said “pedophile,” while their son, who was in his early teens at the time of the alleged molestations, was “a child preying on a child” given that the victims, including sisters Jessa Seewald and Jill Dillard, were also underage. You heard it, here, people - Fear The Agenda and pay no attention to the child preying on other children. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/430 "2015-06-05T01:29:58Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > For once, I would have loved the Duggars to have been interviewed by some stereotypically confrontational Englishman. Some one who would ask, while the Duggars were denying the harm, if they could go ahead and touch their girls some because apparently the parents are cool with it. Who do we talk to in order to sic Simon Cowell on 'em? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/431 "2015-06-05T02:41:59Z")
To all the Duggar-bashers - what’s it to you? Its not your family. I’d bet you have enough family problems of your own. I bet you bashers have never even seen the show. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/432 "2015-06-05T02:53:21Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > To all the Duggar-bashers - what’s it to you? > > Its not your family. I’d bet you have enough family problems of your own. I bet you bashers have never even seen the show. The Duggar’s have taken it upon themselves to use the government to dictate what is OK for other families. They are the ones to put themselves in the public spotlight. Their hypocrisy deserves to be exposed and they deserve to by dragged through the mud for it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/433 "2015-06-05T02:54:19Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > To all the Duggar-bashers - what’s it to you? > > Its not your family. I’d bet you have enough family problems of your own. I bet you bashers have never even seen the show. 1. They hold themselves up as living a highly moral life. 2. Jim has stated that he believes that child molesters should be executed. 3. Their believe that allowing molestation is part of The Gay Agenda. And that gays (and the transgendered) are the ones preying on children. (Does that mean Josh is gay?) 4. They covered up the crime and did nothing to actually get their son any help nor any help for the victims. 5. Ever since this came out, all their concern has been for Josh. Little has been said about the girls. 6. They’re hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/434 "2015-06-05T03:44:31Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > To all the Duggar-bashers - what’s it to you? > > Its not your family. I’d bet you have enough family problems of your own. I bet you bashers have never even seen the show. Are you smoking crack? ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/435 "2015-06-05T04:17:39Z")
Not to mention, _someone_ has to stick up for the MOLESTED FIVE YEAR OLDS of the world. These parents sure the hell weren’t doing it. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/436 "2015-06-05T04:18:48Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Are you smoking crack? Naw. He just cares more about his own self-serving agenda then the actual, yanno, truth. ETA: I’m not so much a “Duggar basher” per se, as anti pro molester. ---
**Author:** ![jimbuff314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jimbuff314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbuff314)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/437 "2015-06-05T04:39:24Z")
“anti pro molester” 😃 Good one, **faithfool**! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/438 "2015-06-05T06:09:53Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > If **Bricker** subscribes to the rule of thumb that “silence implies assent,” we might legitimately interpret his absence from this thread for the past ten days as conceding the point. > [@Bricker](#): > > No. I have made my objections known. Nothing in the thread posted subsequent to my last post has refuted any point I have raised. Very well; please treat that post as withdrawn. > [@Bricker](#): > > One last effort: > > No, it isn’t, because nothing the Duggars have said applies to victims of sexual assault. I must admit, that leaves me scratching my head some. In what way do Josh’s transgressions against these girls NOT fit under the heading of “sexual assault?” And, by extension, make them “victims of sexual assault?” Taken at face value, it sounds like you’re asserting that nothing they have said applies to Josh’s victims. 😕 > [@](#): > > You’re asking me to accept that because they accept OTHER Gothard teachings, they necessarily accept this one, and that’s not a reasonable inference. I’d be interested in learning what has led you to view it as **UN** reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/439 "2015-06-05T06:50:34Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Are you smoking crack? He’s actually just really stupid. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/440 "2015-06-05T06:58:28Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > To all the Duggar-bashers - what’s it to you? > > Its not your family. I’d bet you have enough family problems of your own. I bet you bashers have never even seen the show. Well, the next time Charlie Manson’s family shows up in the neighborhood, I’m gonna mind my own business. ETA: I’ve seen the show. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=23)