# Josh Duggar (Duggar kid 1/19) to be executive director of Family Research Council **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369 "2013-06-19T16:22:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/441 "2015-06-05T07:51:24Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > To all the Duggar-bashers - what’s it to you? > > Its not your family. I’d bet you have enough family problems of your own. I bet you bashers have never even seen the show. Lessee… They’re a product of a disgusting religious cult obsessed with dominance, control and think most people are demons. Women are shit, unless their birthing another potential scumbag who thinks their way of thinking is the right way because a storybook told them that. Well, not the whole storybook, just a few senseless verses out of context rethought to justify foregoing laws and requirements of society. I’m just talking about the males. I think all of the women sucked into this are victims of many things. Westboro Baptist Church looks like THE BIGGEST pussies compared to this lot of fairy-believing bullshit, but that’s just MHO. And my family problems are only based on where the hell we’re eating dinner Saturday. Yes, I’ve seen the show before, only to bash them online from left to right due to their ridiculous and mindless idea of how to raise a family. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/442 "2015-06-05T08:34:52Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > 1. Their believe that allowing molestation is part of The Gay Agenda. And that gays (and the transgendered) are the ones preying on children. (Does that mean Josh is gay?) Well, his full-time job was at the Family Research Council, an anti-gay hate group. Considering the history, bigots like this often end up being exposed as members of the group they are so obsessed with attacking, it seems possible. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/443 "2015-06-05T09:38:12Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > To all the Duggar-bashers - what’s it to you? The only difference between these fuckers and the Taliban is that the Duggers don’t think they can get away with making women were burqas. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/444 "2015-06-05T13:18:39Z")
So once again Sarah Palin misses a point and defends the Duggars [while aiming at Lena Dunham](http://jam.canoe.com/Celebrities/2015/06/04/22436166.html). ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/445 "2015-06-05T13:25:41Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > So once again Sarah Palin misses a point and defends the Duggars [while aiming at Lena Dunham](http://jam.canoe.com/Celebrities/2015/06/04/22436166.html). “Look at the monkey ! Will you look at the monkey ? WHY ARE YOU NOT LOOKING AT THE MONKEY !?” ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/446 "2015-06-05T13:41:44Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Are you smoking crack? I vote yes. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’d be interested in learning what has led you to view it as **UN** reasonable. Please, no more bloviating pettifoggery. ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/447 "2015-06-05T13:46:42Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Actually, Bricker is not all that interesting. This is not a thread about Bricker. There’s no reason to keep discussing him. > > Did I mention that Michelle, after struggling for a bit, decided that it still makes sense to keep transgender people out of the ladies room, because there’s An Agenda. It’s true! > > Bonus bullshit for Jim Bob’s explanation for why his son’s not really a pedophile: > > You heard it, here, people - Fear The Agenda and pay no attention to the child preying on other children. “Purposing?” What the hell - that’s the third or fourth time I’ve seen someone in that family quoted as using it that way. Do the transcribers not know how to spell “proposing,” or is that another word they’ve redefined, like the way they use “defraud?” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/448 "2015-06-05T14:44:10Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Perhaps you would be satisfied if we could fly Michelle Duggar to your home and have her tell it to you from her own lips. Then again, you might ask that two witnesses be present along with a notary public after you ask her to sign a statement. I suspect that the outcome would be like the _Astro City_ comics storyline where a lawyer cited examples of alternate-universe evil twins, the dead returning to life, etc, to cast doubt upon the guilt of his client, who had been seen committing a murder by a large group of witnesses. > [@Zakalwe](#): > > Doesn’t Occam come into play here at some point? Especially given that Michelle is on record as having used a specific term (defrauding) that is mentioned in the ATI literature and specifically places blame on the victim. There’s a bit of dialogue I recall from one of the Sherlock Holmes pastiches that fits nicely: “He _wants_ to believe. He has exchanged Occam’s razor for Occam’s kaleidoscope, complicating simple facts into explanations of impossible complexity.” ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/449 "2015-06-05T14:51:01Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > To all the Duggar-bashers - what’s it to you? > > Its not your family. I’d bet you have enough family problems of your own. I bet you bashers have never even seen the show. 9-11? Eh, whatevs. None of the planes hit _my_ house… ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/450 "2015-06-05T15:04:21Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > To all the Duggar-bashers - what’s it to you? > > Its not your family. I’d bet you have enough family problems of your own. I bet you bashers have never even seen the show. Dude, it’s the internet. People bash all kinds of things. For example, I’ve seen a few cheap shots at President Obama over the years. As for the Duggars, I can’t recall if I bashed them in this thread or not. I have never seen their show, and never cared how many children they had. “What’s it to you” was pretty much my attitude about this family. I was aware they existed, but really had no opinion of them. Now I do. They are not the type of people I respect, for many reasons. If I’m wrong, and they are truly lovely people, my contempt for them won’t matter any more than your admiration. It’s the internet, nothing matters… ---
**Author:** ![CinnamonBabka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bbce88/32.png) [@CinnamonBabka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CinnamonBabka)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/451 "2015-06-05T15:29:07Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > 1. Ever since this came out, all their concern has been for Josh. Little has been said about the girls. To be fair they were just waiting for the right time to parade them around talking about how they don’t think it’s a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/452 "2015-06-05T15:49:58Z")
Why should we care about any domestic abuse? Because we live in a society. Children who grow up in fucked-up homes grow into fucked-up adults who end up fucking things up for everyone. If Josh has been molesting his own children, they could very well grow up molesting _their_ children. Children who will then grow up with emotional and behavior problems, who need public assistance. Whenever I’m at the grocery store and I see a parent cussing out their kid in public, I grieve a little. Not just for them, but for my community. I know that that kid probably isn’t going to grow up to be a normal, happy, highly productive person. They will be damaged somehow. And it will be the community who will shoulder the costs of that damage. That’s why we should care, **Urbanredneck**. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/453 "2015-06-05T18:42:49Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I’d be interested in learning what has led you to view it as **UN** reasonable. Super-Christian kneejerk jumping to the defense of an über-Christian? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/454 "2015-06-05T19:18:05Z")
It’s now being reported that no laws were broken by the release of the police report, following a freedom of information inquiry, because the case was never sealed. According to the person who released it. Apparently while he may have been a minor when he committed the acts, by the time it was reported, he was an adult and that’s what counts for such purposes. That’s an interesting twist, if it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/455 "2015-06-05T19:31:22Z")
According to the latest released report, the Duggars sent Josh to a treatment facility run by Harold Walker. That would be the [Little Rock Training Center](http://ati.iblp.org/ati/students/locations/littlerock/), founded by Bill Gothard. So how can anyone believe that the counseling the family members received was NOT in line with the ATI teachings? I mean, we have seen the victim blaming documents that ATI distributed. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/456 "2015-06-05T21:56:53Z")
> [@Katriona](#): > > “Purposing?” What the hell - that’s the third or fourth time I’ve seen someone in that family quoted as using it that way. Do the transcribers not know how to spell “proposing,” or is that another word they’ve redefined, like the way they use “defraud?” “and there’s people that are _purposing_ to try to bring things out and twisting them to hurt and slander.” Got it in one - it’s a very specific reference to (once again) specific bible verses from the KJV version, where ‘purposed’ is more akin to ‘swore a solemn oath to do x’ as opposed to ‘well, I thought I’d just do this because it seemed like a good idea at the time.’ “Purposing” is also very useful in letting your intended or aspirational spiritual goals be unhindered by your actual practices in real life. Examples from my own experience: you can ‘purpose’ to feel joyful and happy in Christ Jesus despite suffering crippling depression. You can ‘purpose’ to be a gentle and Christlike father despite the fact that you beat the shit outta your kids every few months when you feel stressed. You can ‘purpose’ to be a more obedient and ‘sweet’ daughter/wife, even though your natural temperament doesn’t match up. Make sense? ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/457 "2015-06-05T22:53:11Z")
So now even [Huckabee is abandoning ship](http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Duggar-Family-Scrubbed-From-Mike-Huckabee-s-6307648.php) on his support of the Duggars. I think it’s too late - he made such a strong point of supporting them, so to cave in now looks like flip-flopping, and we know how Republicans hate flip-floppers. But if he didn’t change his position, he’d be stuck in the mire with them, as this thing gets uglier and uglier and the parents try harder and harder to whitewash what really happened. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2015, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/458 "2015-06-05T23:39:24Z")
> **[Duggar Sisters Say Josh Was 'A Little Too Curious About Girls'](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jill-jessa-duggar-fox-interview_n_7521552)** > > Duggar Sisters Say Josh Was 'A Little Too Curious About Girls' The sisters will be giving an interview tonight (Friday, 5 jun 15) defending their brother and again insisting that it was no big deal because it only happened when they were asleep. (The article points out how that is inaccurate. I suppose it’s possible that Jessa and Jill have never been told about the incident with the five year old or the time Josh stuck his hand up someone’s dress. Or maybe they’re just lying.) The girls go on to defend their parents, too: > [@](#): > > The Duggar parents have been heavily criticized since they revealed they didn’t seek any sort of help for Josh until the third time he confessed his behavior to them – the breaking point, they said, was when he admitted to touching his youngest sister, who was only 5 years old at the time. The sisters, however, contend certain “safeguards” were implemented by their parents after their brother confessed to the abuse. > > “Locks on the doors. You know, everybody’s in bed,” Jill explained. “Girls in the girls’ room. Boys in the boys’ room – as a mother now I look back, and I think, you know, my parents did such an amazing job for me. Even when we went through the DHS investigation they complimented my parents on what an amazing job they did through that process.” What more could anyone ask? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2015, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/459 "2015-06-06T00:43:53Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > So once again Sarah Palin misses a point and defends the Duggars [while aiming at Lena Dunham](http://jam.canoe.com/Celebrities/2015/06/04/22436166.html). That’s shocking; I had no idea Sarah Palin was still alive. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2015, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/460 "2015-06-06T01:32:56Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Sadly, most of the girls he molested are also named Duggar. I’m not sure re-defining their last name to highlight their abuse is necessarily the way to go. Don’t worry - the girls will change their names when they’re married off. It’s the boys that will carry the burden. Double-burden if it wasn’t just the girls Josh fingered, although I haven’t heard anything of the sort. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=24)