# Josh Duggar (Duggar kid 1/19) to be executive director of Family Research Council **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369 "2013-06-19T16:22:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/81 "2015-05-22T17:17:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Obviously, I don’t agree with this criticism. > > An unspoken attitude that seems quite prevalent here at the SDMB is that when a disdained target is discussed, any accusations against that target are fair game. After all, who would want to defend \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ against anything? Usually the disdained targets already have massive issues with reliability and credibility. When someone’s been caught lying, or cheating, or said some easily refuted lies, they have less credibility when they make their next outrageous claim. The Duggars and the FRC are a bunch of fundamentalist shitheads with non-science views and a love of bigotry. That’s the starting point. So when they do something shitty like this, they don’t get the same benefit of the doubt that someone honest like Obama gets. They are held to a different standard because they are different. > [@Bricker](#): > > This runs counter to the slogan that supposedly animates the SDMB: fighting ignorance. I don’t have any real interest in defending the Family Research Council, but I have even less interest in seeing inaccurate accusations flourish against them. I don’t think so. You don’t generally speak up when its about liberals. You either don’t participate when they are getting trashed or you only participate when its conservatives. I’m not going to comb through any posts, too lazy, but I will ask that if its not true, you go into the Stupid Liberal Idea of the Day and defend the next 3 dumb liberal ideas with your usual panache of nitpicking and legal semantics ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/82 "2015-05-22T17:28:12Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > I hang out at the Free Jinger website (dedicated to exposing fundamentalist nonsense and snarking on folks like the Duggars) and not only has this been blowing up since it officially came to light, but it’s been speculated on for years. As such, folks there have been literally combing the police reports in an attempt to make sense of all this. So, according to the mention of the first “filing” (for lack of a better term), this happened in 2003. The oldest sibling behind Josh was said to not have been molested and the identifying markers to correlate with the redacted name was the fact that they were getting their GED and liked working on cars. By a process of elimination (and how long the length of the names are under the blackouts), that means the youngest would be included in those who were abused. That means, at the time, she would have been FOUR years old. That’s no youthful hijacks I’ve ever experienced or known anyone not a sketchy son of a bitch to. > > And that 4 out of the 5 victims lived at the residence of JimBob and Michelle. > > Couple of trains of thought on the former. In Arkansas, anyone can request this kind of stuff under the Freedom of Information Act. One idea is that the Duggars are being pushed into heavy rotation these days (lots of People spreads and segments on Good Morning, America, for example) that more people are trying to dig up dirt. Others think that only someone involved can request a police report involving minors, so therefore it had to be someone assaulted. A couple of the older girls have left the nest, got married and are reproducing themselves, so might want to expose all this in an attempt to protect their own offspring. Lastly, Josh had political aspirations and many wonder if a rival did this to sink him. Who knows though? > > As to the latter, it isn’t coincidental, I don’t think, that this hit after the show ended, before a long weekend. PR people say that’s the best time to break a story like this if you want to defend the guilty. That way, people are to rushed to spend their holiday to pay much attention and by the time they get back to it, they’ve mostly forgotten and don’t care. The responses, from the family and the FRC, appear thought out in advance and seem to be much ado about nothing. Josh hashed time to land a house back near hear parents (why if he plans to stay working?) and the kids who’ve left home and have been little involved with the group of late, were all ensconced and around everyone together well before this hit the media. Just some speculation floating around out there. > > Yeah, no. He got shipped off to do construction work with a family friend. There’s some question whether or no he was sent to ALERT, which sounds like some sort of re-education camp type thing for wayward Christian youth. We see how well that’s worked for gay kids born into these destructive environments. I hang out there sometimes too. This is the “Sin in the camp” thing that people were talking about a few years ago. At the time we were speculating that Josh may have kissed Jim Holt’s daughter. Boy, were be ever wrong. I wonder if this is the reason why even with a 7,000 square foot house, the girls all sleep in one room, and the boys in another. It would protect the girls at night from someone abusing them while they slept. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/83 "2015-05-22T17:29:05Z")
> [@bup](#): > > This is all gross, but I sincerely wonder if Duggar looked at his much younger sisters (and (Ewwwwwwwwwww!!!) felt them) because he never had any sex ed of any kind. He maybe wanted to know what was up with female genitalia. > > That makes it a bit less absolutely horrific IMO. He’s responsible for his behavior, but that fucked up system they live in is partly to blame too. Kids play doctor. They’re curious about what the other sex looks like naked. I assume the Duggar children have no unrelated acquaintances. It is likely, considering the ages, that he at least saw some of them in diapers, and maybe even changed diapers when they were younger. IIRC, that is in part how Michelle was able to cope with so many kids, the older ones took care of the younger ones. So he, more than other young boys, probably had a good idea on the physical differences between boys and girls. So he likely knew how it looked. If this happened in 2003, he was around 14-15, and the youngest sister born at the time was 5-6 (per Wikipedia). He was a juvenile too, so in a way I’m more bothered by how the adults managed the case than him. Now, if he does the same now, when he’s nearing 30, it will be different. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/84 "2015-05-22T17:38:03Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > And that 4 out of the 5 victims lived at the residence of JimBob and Michelle. The 5th victim was sleeping on the couch at the time. Who else could it be but cousin Amy? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/85 "2015-05-22T17:44:15Z")
You think the brothers got stuck child rearing and diaper changing? In such a male dominant household? I doubt that very much. ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/86 "2015-05-22T17:45:24Z")
TMZ is reporting that General Mills has already pulled their advertising from the show, and TLC has canceled all planned airings of repeats. It’s just a matter of time before the whole show is canceled. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/87 "2015-05-22T17:47:13Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > My cite is that I’ve heard Jim Bob and Michelle say on many occasions that it’s the woman’s responsibility not to stir up sexual desires in men. > > Here’s a cite for how Gothard followers handles sexual abuse. Jim Bob and Michelle are have been avid Gothard followers for years. > > [Counseling sexual abuse](http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2013/04/how-counseling-sexual-abuse-blames-and-shames-survivors/) I was actually going to post that same link. Point 4 is particularly vile - Why did God let this happen? As a result of defrauding ( immodest dress on the part of the victim is suggested ) and then point 6- IF the abused is not at fault … You know what? The whole thing is pretty bad. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/88 "2015-05-22T17:50:02Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > TMZ is reporting that General Mills has already pulled their advertising from the show, and TLC has canceled all planned airings of repeats. It’s just a matter of time before the whole show is canceled. Just wait until Sarah Palin crows that the Duggars’ freedom of speech is being oppressed and TLC reverses course. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/89 "2015-05-22T17:53:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Just wait until Sarah Palin crows that the Duggars’ freedom of speech is being oppressed and TLC reverses course. Why would they listen to that raven maniac? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/90 "2015-05-22T18:03:43Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Why would they listen to that raven maniac? It got the Robertsons their show back. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/91 "2015-05-22T18:14:00Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > The family’s statement, widely circulated in the press this morning, said that all those affected (e.g., the victims) got counseling. But yes, the nature of his counseling makes me think the girls were sat down in a room with some guy in their church who told them Jesus was all about forgiveness. Some say the girls might’ve been sent to something called Journey [of / to / from?] the Heart. I’m sure that’s a female equivalent of ALERT. Barring that, I have no doubt you’re 100% accurate. > [@KarlGrenze](#): > > Somebody leaked it to Oprah, then. And then others did some more digging. Due to the age of the person listed in the report who supposedly was behind that, some were theorizing that it was one of the grandmothers. > [@Honey](#): > > My cite is that I’ve heard Jim Bob and Michelle say on many occasions that it’s the woman’s responsibility not to stir up sexual desires in men. > > Here’s a cite for how Gothard followers handles sexual abuse. Jim Bob and Michelle are have been avid Gothard followers for years. > > [Counseling sexual abuse](http://www.recoveringgrace.org/2013/04/how-counseling-sexual-abuse-blames-and-shames-survivors/) And tangentially, there’s the whole “Nike!” thing. When out and about in public, the girls, if they catch it first, shout that to their brothers if they see a woman who is immodestly dressed. That way, they’re helping to prevent them from sinning. It’s always the women’s / girl’s fault for “defrauding” the males. So disgusting. Not to mention damaging when something like this occurs. Then you have victims blaming themselves. ☹ > [@Honey](#): > > I hang out there sometimes too. This is the “Sin in the camp” thing that people were talking about a few years ago. At the time we were speculating that Josh may have kissed Jim Holt’s daughter. Boy, were be ever wrong. > > I wonder if this is the reason why even with a 7,000 square foot house, the girls all sleep in one room, and the boys in another. It would protect the girls at night from someone abusing them while they slept. Could be, as several folks mentioned that and the fact that in the earlier episodes, the girls slept in their clothes. If so, dear God that’s horrific. > [@Honey](#): > > The 5th victim was sleeping on the couch at the time. Who else could it be but cousin Amy? That’s a good question. Most seem to say that they feel she would’ve been too old, as that would’ve made her around 16. I don’t know. I just wonder if whoever the other victim is, if she’s the one that’s requesting the original file be destroyed. It says she’s still a minor though, so that only leaves Joy. Who might be coerced from her God awful parents doing spin control on their golden child. Gah, doesn’t matter though. At least the gravy train is about to be over. Not so much for others caught up in their warped kind of worldview. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/92 "2015-05-22T18:41:41Z")
Politician Mike Huckabee weighs in with a bit of [inane](http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/22/josh-duggar-mike-huckabee-showing-support-molestation-investigation-arkansas/?adid=hero5) drivel in support of them. They weren’t open and honest. They hushed it up, told the girls to shut up and tried to pretend it never happened in the first place. But he’s not gay so it’s a-okay! ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/93 "2015-05-22T19:31:32Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > TMZ is reporting that General Mills has already pulled their advertising from the show, and TLC has canceled all planned airings of repeats. It’s just a matter of time before the whole show is canceled. I agree, TLC will likely cancel the show pretty soon. They canceled Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, including not airing an already taped season, and it was because the mother was dating a child molester, not because one of the featured people on the show was one. However, it seems that TLC would have had to already know about this. The Oprah special in 2006 was taped but never shown because someone alerted Oprah’s production company about the allegations. It seems unlikely that someone would blow the whistle then, but never say anything to TLC. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/94 "2015-05-22T19:45:00Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Stupid teenagers do stupid shit. Not condoning his behavior, and not saying I did anything like that when I was a kid, but dang I did some dumbass embarrassing shit when I was a teen. > > I hope for his wife and kids’ sake that this isn’t some ongoing sexual thing with him, and I actually doubt it is. Like I said, stupid teenagers do stupid shit. “Daaaaaaad! Josh won’t stop molesting me.” “DON’T MAKE ME HAVE TO PULL THIS CAR OVER!!!” ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/95 "2015-05-22T20:12:08Z")
The counseling thing someone linked to is even worse than I imagined. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/96 "2015-05-22T20:59:22Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Politician Mike Huckabee weighs in with a bit of [inane](http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/22/josh-duggar-mike-huckabee-showing-support-molestation-investigation-arkansas/?adid=hero5) drivel in support of them. They weren’t open and honest. They hushed it up, told the girls to shut up and tried to pretend it never happened in the first place. But he’s not gay so it’s a-okay! W T F If fictional TV parents had handled this situation in the same way, the Huckabee’s of the world would be decrying the lack of morals in Hollywood. But since it is a reality TV family who has capitalized on its wholesome purity and upstandingness all these years, it is suddenly all “Leave Britney alone!” I guess it is easier to condemn the world of make-believe. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/97 "2015-05-22T21:09:51Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > Due to the age of the person listed in the report who supposedly was behind that, some were theorizing that it was one of the grandmothers. Still a bit weird that it didn’t surface before. Perhaps it was indeed because Josh was becoming more and more public that finally pushed them to tip someone, or someone finally dug it out. ---
**Author:** ![Eddie\_F](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/22d042/32.png) [@Eddie\_F](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eddie_F)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/98 "2015-05-22T21:10:42Z")
Yeah, no. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/99 "2015-05-22T21:20:27Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > The family’s statement, widely circulated in the press this morning, said that all those affected (e.g., the victims) got counseling. But yes, the nature of his counseling makes me think the girls were sat down in a room with some guy in their church who told them Jesus was all about forgiveness. If it was anything like the ‘counseling’ I was given at a Gothard facility then it was wholly inadequate. Their idea of counseling is praying a lot and having you beg forgiveness for anything you might have ever done wrong in your life. Including things that you never even did. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2015, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/100 "2015-05-22T21:50:32Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > However, it seems that TLC would have had to already know about this. The Oprah special in 2006 was taped but never shown because someone alerted Oprah’s production company about the allegations. It seems unlikely that someone would blow the whistle then, but never say anything to TLC. I agree. I think it was determined that all this went in between the early specials and the first couple of seasons. Some have suggested that they’d heard of them having to deal with CPS over it. If so, there’s no way that was hidden from TLC. But regardless, I can’t imagine that in Hollywood, one production company wouldn’t know what their hired help was doing if it was big enough to land on Oprah’s radar. I’m just glad that she did something. > [@monstro](#): > > W T F > > If fictional TV parents had handled this situation in the same way, the Huckabee’s of the world would be decrying the lack of morals in Hollywood. But since it is a reality TV family who has capitalized on its wholesome purity and upstandingness all these years, it is suddenly all “Leave Britney alone!” I guess it is easier to condemn the world of make-believe. Such a good point. What were these people yelling about Mama June? Were they willing to pray for her pedo ex that was coming back into those kids lives? If he’d never re-offended and repented of his actions, shouldn’t it be all the same? But you’re right. It’s nothing more than hypocritical posturing. Wonder if they’d like Josh to babysit their kids? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=6)