# Josh Duggar (Duggar kid 1/19) to be executive director of Family Research Council **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369 "2013-06-19T16:22:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/121 "2015-05-23T00:16:36Z")
Um, **ACE**? It was not A mistake, it was _repetitive actions_. Read for comprehension, OK? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/122 "2015-05-23T00:20:38Z")
Talk to anyone in child development – they will tell you that some forms of curiosity are normal, and others, like feeling up your baby sister, are absolutely not normal, not youthful indiscretions, not misdeeds of a teen, but signs of serious trouble that need to be treated. The Duggars did NOT seek treatment, they did some random things that now look like an effort to stall so the molestations were too far back to prosecute. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/123 "2015-05-23T00:21:38Z")
More importantly, as others have noted, nobody seems to have then, or now, been curious about how those girls are dealing with this. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/124 "2015-05-23T00:28:25Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Usually the disdained targets already have massive issues with reliability and credibility. When someone’s been caught lying, or cheating, or said some easily refuted lies, they have less credibility when they make their next outrageous claim. The Duggars and the FRC are a bunch of fundamentalist shitheads with non-science views and a love of bigotry. That’s the starting point. So when they do something shitty like this, they don’t get the same benefit of the doubt that someone honest like Obama gets. They are held to a different standard because they are different. That’s a legitimate reason to doubt their credibility, of course. But it certainly doesn’t justify a baseless claim. The Duggars could be the mayor of Liartown; that doesn’t license a commentator to make inaccurate claims about them. > [@](#): > > I don’t think so. You don’t generally speak up when its about liberals. You either don’t participate when they are getting trashed or you only participate when its conservatives. I’m not going to comb through any posts, too lazy, but I will ask that if its not true, you go into the Stupid Liberal Idea of the Day and defend the next 3 dumb liberal ideas with your usual panache of nitpicking and legal semantics That’s not accurate. I step into threads, and start threads, when inaccurate accusations are leveled against liberals. It’s true that I do this rarely, but on the SDMB, it happens comparatively rarely that liberals are the victims of baseless attacks. I don’t follow the thread you mention, but even if I did, your proposed demonstration misses the boat. I’d certainly speak up if I disagreed with the attack, but why would I adopt a position I didn’t agree with in order to defend a liberal idea? ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/125 "2015-05-23T00:30:51Z")
They reported it to someone who was supposed to be, by law, bound to report this to CPS, and didn’t because he was a friend of the family. And they successfully covered it up till the statue of limitations expired. Tough on crime? Family values? What is Huckabee thinking coming out in support of these people? ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/126 "2015-05-23T00:34:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This cute differs in two important respects from your original claim, which I will reproduce here as a reminder. > > Here are the two: > > (1) It’s a fallacy to impute to a “follower,” each and every position of the person or group he follows. I, for example, am Roman Catholic, but I don’t support each and every position the Church offers up for public consumption. So your cite purports to show what Gothard advises or teaches, not what JimBob and Michelle believe. > > (2) With respect to what JimBob and Michelle have said, I agree such statements can be used to shows what they believe…but their statement doesn’t seem to be about sexual assault. It’s a more general statement about the advisability of modest dress. Sexual assault is not about sexual desire; it’s about power. They could certainly believe that modest dress for women is desirable and at the same time not condemn victims of sexual assault for being at fault. > > Do you have any cite for the claim you made, or not" I don’t know exactly what you’re looking for here. Michelle and Jim Bob live their lives by Gothard rules. What he says is law to them. What he believes, they believe. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/127 "2015-05-23T00:35:22Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > Go lawyer it up somewhere else, Bricker. It’s reasonable to believe the Duggar’s beliefs are consistent with the faith they evangelize. Sure it is. But **Honey** imputed to them a position that is not part of the faith they evangelize. It may, or may not, be a view held by one person that shares that faith and is an influential teacher thereof. But it’s certainly not a core tenet. As an example, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops teaches that the country should reject same-sex marriage laws. I believe that same-sex marriage is a wise choice for states to legislate. If you concluded, from the USCCB position and my Catholicity that I disfavored same-sex marriage, you’d be wrong. Do you understand? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/128 "2015-05-23T00:36:59Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > I don’t know exactly what you’re looking for here. Michelle and Jim Bob live their lives by Gothard rules. What he says is law to them. What he believes, they believe. Oh. So, perfect. Do you have a cite for THAT claim? What Gothard believes, they believe – what’s your proof of that claim? ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/129 "2015-05-23T00:39:37Z")
Theirs is not a cafeteria-style faith like yours. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/130 "2015-05-23T00:40:47Z")
Somebody linked to the Gothard guide to counseling victims of sexual abuse above. It is likely that this is the sort of counseling Josh’s victim received. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/131 "2015-05-23T00:42:49Z")
Why are we arguing with Bricker? Why should we assume that the Duggars are actually feminists, advocates for child rights, who buried their son’s history of molestation DESPITE their real beliefs, rather than take this quacking, waddling, billed thing for what it is? Please go open your lawyer thread somewhere else and good luck with that noble venture. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/132 "2015-05-23T00:54:10Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > Theirs is not a cafeteria-style faith like yours. What do you mean by, “Cafeteria style?” ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/133 "2015-05-23T00:59:45Z")
Their faith isn’t one where followers can have this and not that and they’ll TRY this but there’s no way they’re paying for that. This is one of those restaurants where you agree to the whole menu, soup to nuts, no substitutions. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/134 "2015-05-23T01:00:05Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > Why are we arguing with Bricker? Why should we assume that the Duggars are actually feminists, advocates for child rights, who buried their son’s history of molestation DESPITE their real beliefs, rather than take this quacking, waddling, billed thing for what it is? Please go open your lawyer thread somewhere else and good luck with that noble venture. I don’t know why we’re doing that either. It really is largely a waste of time. My personal bet was a reference by him to Lena Dunham which seems to be the way many conservatives are handing this mess. The Duggars lunatic beliefs are not exactly hidden. They are religious fanatics with deeply antediluvian viewpoints. They hold sexist views of women, promote hatred against gays and espouse backwards ideas about issues such as evolution. Worse, they hold the belief that they should be allowed to force those views on others who do not share them. The sight of them finally being given the rightful mocking they deserve in the mainstream media is deeply satisfying to most rational people. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/135 "2015-05-23T01:01:27Z")
Besides that, there’s no compelling reason to believe they are, despite their words and actions, actually radical feminists. > **[Inside the Duggar Family's Conservative Ideology](https://www.newsweek.com/inside-duggar-familys-conservative-ideology-76547)** > > Understanding Quiverfull, the antifeminist, conservative Christian movement that motivates popular reality-TV families like the Duggars. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/136 "2015-05-23T01:02:43Z")
Last comment was meant to piggyback on my previous one; I am in 100% agreement with Lavender. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/137 "2015-05-23T01:03:46Z")
> [@tnetennba](#): > > Somebody linked to the Gothard guide to counseling victims of sexual abuse above. It is likely that this is the sort of counseling Josh’s victim received. Why is it likely? See, here’s the thing about fighting ignorance: it involves asking what the factual basis for claims is. I’m sorry to rain on your parade, in which the theme is that accusations against disliked targets are immune from the need for accuracy, but the fact is that you don’t get to make these sorts of unchallenged claims. And when called on it, you don’t seem to understand that merely repeating uncited claims does not lend them credence. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/138 "2015-05-23T01:07:29Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > I don’t know why we’re doing that either. It really is largely a waste of time. > > My personal bet was a reference by him to Lena Dunham which seems to be the way many conservatives are handing this mess. > > The Duggars lunatic beliefs are not exactly hidden. They are religious fanatics with deeply antediluvian viewpoints. They hold sexist views of women, promote hatred against gays and espouse backwards ideas about issues such as evolution. Worse, they hold the belief that they should be allowed to force those views on others who do not share them. The sight of them finally being given the rightful mocking they deserve in the mainstream media is deeply satisfying to most rational people. Rightful mocking is fine, and I don’t object in the least to it. Mocking that rests on false claims is not rightful. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/139 "2015-05-23T02:08:15Z")
Looks like _19 Kids and Counting_ is being replaced with _The Bricker Show_. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/140 "2015-05-23T02:18:02Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Um, **ACE**? It was not A mistake, it was _repetitive actions_. Read for comprehension, OK? I said Josh’s teenage behavior was abhorrent and deviant. I wish the juvenile courts would have heard the case. He would have been ordered into long term counseling and therapy. I just can’t condem an Adult for something they did in childhood. That goes against everything our modern juvenile courts stand for. They even seal juvenile court records when the kid turns 18. Giving them a fresh start in life as an adult. How they use that second chance is up to them. Some troubled kids spend their adult lives in and out of prison. Some live responsible and productive lives. It’s important they aren’t stigmatized and condemned as adults for something they did as a juvenile. Getting a job for example, or joining the military. Their childhood court records are sealed for a reason. I’m pretty sure child services will be interviewing Josh’s family. They’ll want to interview his kids and make sure nothing inappropriate has transpired. If he is an adult pedo then sadly they will find evidence. I hope for his kid’s sake that Josh today is a normally adjusted adult. But child protective services needs to investigate and confirm the welfare of his family. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=8)