# Josh Duggar (Duggar kid 1/19) to be executive director of Family Research Council **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 19, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369 "2013-06-19T16:22:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/141 "2015-05-23T02:27:44Z")
Josh has spent his adult life with an organization that wants to demand we all live under his idiotic brand of religious stupidity. Fuck him. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/142 "2015-05-23T02:37:47Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Josh has spent his adult life with an organization that wants to demand we all live under his idiotic brand of religious stupidity. **Fuck him.** Bolding mine. And, no thank you!šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/143 "2015-05-23T03:10:29Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Bolding mine. And, no thank you!šŸ˜ƒ It could have been worse. I could have written fuck Michelle Duggar . . . passes Baker the brain bleach. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/144 "2015-05-23T03:17:48Z")
Did anyone see the episode of ā€œSay Yes to the Dressā€ in which Michelle and Jim-Bob and some of the family appeared? The folks were renewing their vows and since their first wedding had been so simple Michelle was getting a fancy dress. Of course it had sleeves and a high neckline, and I have no problem with that. But when her female consultant showed Michelle to the changing room she insisted on being alone to dress herself, on account of her ā€œmodestyā€. This from a woman whoā€™s had nineteen children and is no stranger, Iā€™m sure, to having a doctor looking up her hoo-ha. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/145 "2015-05-23T03:53:35Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > It got the Robertsons their show back. Phil ROBINSON said some pretty vile thingsā€¦but thatā€™s in no way equivalent to out right molestation. > [@aceplace57](#): > > Josh was a young teen when this occurred. The father reported it to the police. Since then Josh has had no further known issues. > > Its pretty silly to label a young teen a pedo for being curious about girls. What he did was wrong and illegal. But it in no way reflects on his behavior as an adult. He was a curious and horny teen with hormones running wild. Just like any other horny young boy who gets his first erection. Their dick gets hard when the wind blows. > > He lived in a huge family. He would have been caught if he had gone into their bedrooms and continued touching the girls. AFAIK theres been no further incidents since it was reported to the police. > > TLC must have known. Most ā€œhorny teensā€ donā€™t molest their sisters, or anyone else for that matter. I donā€™t care how many erections he got ā€“ he could deal with it the way the vast majority of teenagers do and spank it. And his so-called ā€œapologyā€ seemed more self-serving than anything else. Did you read what he said? ā€œI understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life,ā€ said Duggar. ā€œI sought forgiveness from those I had wronged and asked Christ to forgive me and come into my life.ā€ HIS life. He asked CHRIST to forgive him. Not his victims. He didnā€™t stop because he was afraid of the harm he might be doing to other people. He was afraid because of what it might to do HIM. Fuck him. > [@aceplace57](#): > > I would have recommended professional counseling for Josh. Oh for JOSH. Thatā€™s nice. What about his sisters? Poor, poor Josh. He just made a mistake! Fuck him. And IIRC, didnā€™t Josh equate homosexuals with pedophiles? FUCK HIM. [If Youā€™re Defending Josh Duggar, Youā€™re the Problem](http://www.daddyfiles.com/if-youre-defending-josh-duggar-youre-the-problem/) ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/146 "2015-05-23T04:22:06Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > If this behavior had continued then Iā€™d agree Josh is a sexual deviant. But thereā€™s no indication that any further incidents occurred after he talked with the state police. A family that big has no secrets. Thereā€™s no way he could have continued without his brothers and sisters telling their dad. > > The kid made a mistake. He was counseled and punished. Just like a parent does with any problem. They try to get help and correct the behavior so the kid matures into a responsible adult. Sometimes it works. Sometimes not. But thereā€™s no indication this abhorrent behavior continued into his adult life. You know nothing about fundamentalist life. Itā€™s all about shaming others and keeping appearances. Why do you think thereā€™s so many pastors that are felled by gay indiscretions? Because they have to appear straight to world, all the while wagging their fingers at everyone else for the same so-called deviant behavior they engage in. Similarly, thatā€™s this familyā€™s stock in trade. I bet thereā€™s no way he couldnā€™t molested FIVE DIFFERENT GIRLS, four of which were HIS SISTERS, and then just went back to being normal because they prayed it away. No, thatā€™s the story they share with gullible outsiders. And I do like what someone observed about their ā€œvaluesā€ā€¦ Kissing your future spouse before marriage? NO! Molesting your sisters? YES! ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/147 "2015-05-23T04:52:45Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Phil ROBINSON said some pretty vile thingsā€¦but thatā€™s in no way equivalent to out right molestation. No, Robertson is the family name. But carry on. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/148 "2015-05-23T05:20:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Why is it likely? > > See, hereā€™s the thing about fighting ignorance: it involves asking what the factual basis for claims is. > > Iā€™m sorry to rain on your parade, in which the theme is that accusations against disliked targets are immune from the need for accuracy, but the fact is that you donā€™t get to make these sorts of unchallenged claims. And when called on it, you donā€™t seem to understand that merely repeating uncited claims does not lend them credence. No, itā€™s not. Fighting ignorance would mean finding contradictory evidence, not constantly asking for proof over things that are perfectly reasonable to believe. These are Quiverfull peopleā€“their beliefs are not unknown, and itā€™s reasonable to believe they believe what other Quiverfull people believe, unless they state otherwise. You just seem to be incredulous that people could actually believe or practice these things, which is not a position from which to fight ignorance. You have no special understanding on this matter at all, unlike when you do this with legal issues. Youā€™re even challenging someone saying the word ā€œlikely,ā€ hedging themselves because they know they donā€™t know for sure. Thatā€™s ridiculous. I get that a conservative religious group being accused of covering up child molestation hits close to home for you. But what you are doing here is not fighting ignorance but being defensive. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/149 "2015-05-23T05:20:52Z")
My mistake. But I think the point still stands. Saying something homophobic is pretty bad, but it in no way compares to child molestation. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/150 "2015-05-23T12:58:43Z")
[Here comes Mama June to step into the fray](http://pagesix.com/2015/05/22/mama-june-threatens-to-sue-tlc-over-19-kids-and-counting/) ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/151 "2015-05-23T13:00:43Z")
The story was less than 24 hours old. I think she just wanted some headlines about her. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/152 "2015-05-23T13:55:50Z")
This is a quote from Michelle Duggar from the most recent episode, which was an interview by Erica Hill. She was talking about dressing modestly. > [@](#): > > ā€œYou canā€™t control what someone else thinks, but we can control what we do. So if we stir up desires in someone else, that canā€™t be righteously fulfilled, then weā€™re responsible for that.ā€ ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/153 "2015-05-23T14:00:30Z")
Made the mistake of looking at Ray Comfortā€™s Facebook page and comments this morningā€¦So, according to the logic employed by these people, it would be just fine to release imprisoned people ā€“ no matter how severe their crimes ā€“ as long as theyā€™ve been forgiven by Jesus. \>.\< Even if you truly believe that this guy has relented and found Jesus, I donā€™t understand how you can excuse the cover-up. ---
**Author:** ![Sattua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sattua/32/11906_2.png) [@Sattua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sattua)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/154 "2015-05-23T14:21:24Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > Even if you truly believe that this guy has relented and found Jesus, I donā€™t understand how you can excuse the cover-up. Because they believe that evil is something you are, not something you do. Crimes are no longer crimes if you get right with the Lord, see? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/155 "2015-05-23T14:28:27Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > This is a quote from Michelle Duggar from the most recent episode, which was an interview by Erica Hill. She was talking about dressing modestly. Yes, but that doesnā€™t seem to address sexual assault, which is not about sex but about power. Right? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/156 "2015-05-23T15:35:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, but that doesnā€™t seem to address sexual assault, which is not about sex but about power. Right? Right, so her reasoning is flawed, self-hating and dangerous. Right? ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/157 "2015-05-23T15:52:27Z")
Who could have foreseen that devoting hours and hours to weird, messed up families would backfire on these cable networks?ā˜¹ ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/158 "2015-05-23T15:59:18Z")
Itā€™s quite a shame when reality intrudes on reality shows. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/159 "2015-05-23T16:36:04Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And his so-called ā€œapologyā€ seemed more self-serving than anything else. Did you read what he said? > > ā€œI understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life,ā€ said Duggar. ā€œ **I sought forgiveness from those I had wronged** **and asked Christ to forgive me** and come into my life.ā€ > > HIS life. **He asked CHRIST to forgive him.**** Not his victims.** He didnā€™t stop because he was afraid of the harm he might be doing to other people. He was afraid because of what it might to do HIM. Fuck him. **Guin** , Iā€™ve color-coded the contradiction in your post. However justified the rest of the post is, the contradiction kinda taints it, and makes the whole thing more easily attacked (or dismissed) by those who are inclined to do so. **Bricker** , in my view, is generally honest enough to compartmentalize his objections to the specific contradiction, and not explicitly declare the entire post to be invalid (although he _will_ allow his overall tone to invite the reader to do so); it might be wise to keep in mind that heā€™s not the ONLY person who might be motivated to nitpick the controversy to death. My point is that with a little more care, you could avoid handing **Bricker** ammunition like the bit I pointed out above. As for you, **Bricker** , while **BigT** ā€™s comments in post 148 touched on it, Iā€™d like to elaborate on a specific facet of your contributions to this thread. If we stipulate that every statement of condemnation leveled at young Master Duggar in this thread, and to which you have raised your objections is unproven, it still seems to me that _unproven_ is the limit to the basis on which they can be legitimately impeached. And yet you freely and repeatedly\* attack them as ā€œinaccurate.ā€ I submit that ā€œinaccurateā€ is a descriptor which can be applied to a statement only when the statementā€™s inaccuracy has been established. Iā€™d be grateful if you would either walk back your claims of inaccuracy (and baselessness, if itā€™s not too much trouble), or instruct me in how my observations are inadequate to the situation. Thanks very much, and I hope you and your family are enjoying the holiday weekend. šŸ™‚ \*Repeatedly: [cite1](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18383968&postcount=73), [cite2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18385009&postcount=124) ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369/160 "2015-05-23T16:41:26Z")
Well, a little bit of good news. The producer of the show claims the camera crews have left the Duggar home and whether or not they return has not been determined. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-duggar-duggar-kid-1-19-to-be-executive-director-of-family-research-council/661369.md?page=9)