# Josh Gordon-Ultimate knucklehead **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 5, 2014, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433 "2014-07-05T21:51:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/101 "2014-09-12T22:30:31Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > It isn’t. > > He is, and it isn’t. > > If Maximum Roger came down on the Doobie Brothers I’d be fine with that, too. It’s really simp… you know what, you know how simple it is, we’ve gone over it time and again in this thread and I’m tried of reading a bunch of white knighting. So I’m out. You might want to change your opinion soon when the NFL changes the rules. Or not. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2014, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/102 "2014-09-13T00:48:21Z")
Oh, I’m sure he thinks letting Welker and the others play this week, and giving Gordon a completely arbitrary 10 games is fair and just. Rules are rules, right? Even when they’re made up on the spot with no logic to them at all. Justice. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/103 "2014-12-27T19:38:28Z")
Now he’s managed to get suspended for the meaningless last game of the season. > **[Josh Gordon suspended by Cleveland Browns for missing team walk-through](https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2014/12/josh_gordon_suspended_by_cleve.html?hootPostID=37cf83f8c0db52ac2ee82ad84077ae05)** > > Josh Gordon will finish the season with 24 catches for 303 yards. He missed the first 10 games because of an NFL suspension. The Browns elevated former Ohio University quarterback Phil Bates from the practice squad to take Gordon's spot. It’ll be interesting to see what Gordon did to screw up. I’m sure he wasn’t ecstatic about playing with a practice squad QB, but it seems that Mr. Gordon really hasn’t grown up after having 10 games to think things over. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/104 "2014-12-28T01:35:03Z")
Apparently being suspended this last game means the difference between being a restricted free agent instead of unrestricted. Could cost him a lot of money. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/105 "2014-12-28T02:52:15Z")
And now reports are that the Browns suspended him specifically for that reason. Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/106 "2015-01-25T21:44:52Z")
[Now he really will be suspended for a year.](http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/josh-gordon-tests-positive-for-alcohol-faces-one-year-ban/) No arguing with this one and the stringency of the test, no claims of second-hand smoke, nothing. He’s toast. Knucklehead, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/107 "2015-01-25T22:02:58Z")
But…alcohol? It’s not even illegal. And it’s not during a game. Unless it was a DUI, why is this even a problem? I get that he had a DUI years ago, but does that literally mean he can never have another drink? Wtf? I dunno, this does not seem like it should even be a problem, unless there is a lot missing from the reported circumstances. The NFL substance rules are so disconnected from reality. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/108 "2015-01-25T22:20:34Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > But…alcohol? It’s not even illegal. And it’s not during a game. Unless it was a DUI, why is this even a problem? I get that he had a DUI years ago, but does that literally mean he can never have another drink? Wtf? He didn’t just have one DUI from years ago. He pled guilty to his latest one in September of 2014, for which is is still on probation. As part of his deal with the NFL, he agreed to the testing, so he, once again, has no one to blame but himself. > [@JSexton](#): > > I dunno, this does not seem like it should even be a problem, unless there is a lot missing from the reported circumstances. The NFL substance rules are so disconnected from reality. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to require someone who is on probation for a DUI to refrain from drinking. Especially when they specifically agreed to it. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/109 "2015-01-26T00:00:00Z")
Wait until Gordon finds out that Chevron doesn’t offer seven figure salaries. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/110 "2015-01-26T14:34:20Z")
Jesus. It’s hard to feel sorry for people like this. Too bad his talent will go wasted now. All those years since childhood perfecting his craft but he couldn’t keep his head straight long enough to stay on stage. ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/111 "2015-01-26T15:44:00Z")
Stop acting like addiction is a moral failing. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/112 "2015-01-26T15:55:34Z")
> [@Stringer](#): > > Stop acting like addiction is a moral failing. I find my sympathy for addicts to lessen as they have more and more options available to them. I completely understand that being an addict isn’t a choice, but I find myself much more sympathetic to someone who lives in a crappy neighborhood, without a family structure, little to no treatment options, and no hope for the future than someone who has been, thanks to amazing physical talents, been given multiple options, has millions of dollars, a chance at a college education, and is currently under a structured treatment plan with supervision. There are millions of addicts who would kill to be in Josh Gordon’s place and has the options and treatment that he has. Many of them may fail repeatedly also, but at least they’d be given a serious chance. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/113 "2015-01-26T15:57:43Z")
Josh Gordon isn’t an addict, he’s a moron who doesn’t believe the rules apply to him. ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/114 "2015-01-27T21:40:11Z")
Are they mutually exclusive? I find it hard to ascertain what is going on with the guy given I don’t think I have even heard him speak on this issue, but you have to wonder if this is just something he cannot control given the circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/115 "2015-01-29T19:52:51Z")
This is a really good read on Gordon’s side of the story. [An Open Letter To Charles Barkley & Co. | by Flash Gordon | The Cauldron](https://medium.com/the-cauldron/an-open-letter-to-charles-barkley-co-cb5c4e64cf3) ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/116 "2015-01-29T19:55:27Z")
Josh Gordon is playing the ‘poor little me’ card in an open letter. > **[An Open Letter To Charles Barkley & Co.](https://the-cauldron.com/an-open-letter-to-charles-barkley-co-cb5c4e64cf3?gi=a13c25278f91)** > > Yes, I have a “problem,” but it’s not the one all of you seem to think it is. Obviously, Gordon didn’t write a word of it. He’s borderline illiterate. But using the wrong side of the tracks excuse is pathetic. He uses alcohol and marijuana because he enjoys getting drunk and stoned. I don’t think he’s any sort of addict. I think the rules in college and the NFL are stupid. But, rules are rules. He continues to break them because he just doesn’t believe they apply to him. It’s interesting while the article gave him a pity party, the writer didn’t mention all the favors he got growing up for being a star. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/117 "2015-01-29T20:04:09Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Josh Gordon is playing the ‘poor little me’ card in an open letter. > > [An Open Letter To Charles Barkley & Co. | by Flash Gordon | The Cauldron](https://medium.com/the-cauldron/an-open-letter-to-charles-barkley-co-cb5c4e64cf3) > > Obviously, Gordon didn’t write a word of it. He’s borderline illiterate. But using the wrong side of the tracks excuse is pathetic. He uses alcohol and marijuana because he enjoys getting drunk and stoned. I don’t think he’s any sort of addict. I think the rules in college and the NFL are stupid. But, rules are rules. He continues to break them because he just doesn’t believe they apply to him. It’s interesting while the article gave him a pity party, the writer didn’t mention all the favors he got growing up for being a star. You’re a real piece of work. Cite for him being illiterate? I assume you have some evidence beyond his skin color? ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/118 "2015-01-29T22:49:53Z")
Today, I watched many of Gordon’s interviews that he’s given in the past with his various excuses for drugs and alcohol. Nothing to do with his race. He wasn’t spending extra time in English class during his Baylor suspension ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/119 "2015-01-29T23:11:33Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Today, I watched many of Gordon’s interviews that he’s given in the past with his various excuses for drugs and alcohol. Nothing to do with his race. He wasn’t spending extra time in English class during his Baylor suspension Ah, he wasn’t well-spoken enough for your liking. Gotcha. Crystal clear. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433/120 "2015-01-29T23:20:37Z")
He would have gotten sympathy if he had been accused of rape. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/josh-gordon-ultimate-knucklehead/692433.md?page=7)