# Joss to direct The Avengers - Proof that God exists!

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [April 14, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009 "2010-04-14T01:37:25Z")\
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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/1 "2010-04-14T01:37:25Z")

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[Link.](http://justjared.buzznet.com/2010/04/13/joss-whedon-the-avengers-director/)

Happy dance.

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**Author:** ![Scruff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Scruff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scruff)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/2 "2010-04-14T01:38:15Z")

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But who is going to play John Steed?

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**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/3 "2010-04-14T01:43:01Z")

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Hell with Steed – I want to know who plays Emma Peel.

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**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/4 "2010-04-14T01:43:49Z")

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Two questions: Will Captain Hammer be joining? Will there be singing and dancing?

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**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/5 "2010-04-14T02:30:34Z")

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Do you know what happens to a toad that watches the Avengers?

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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/6 "2010-04-14T02:43:28Z")

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Y’know, Hawkeye’s original name was indeed “Captain Tightpants”.

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**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/7 "2010-04-14T03:04:24Z")

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And I had thought his name was Benjamin Franklin Pierce. Learn something new every day.

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**Author:** ![Stealth\_Potato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Stealth\_Potato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stealth_Potato)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/8 "2010-04-14T03:23:28Z")

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> [@Scruff](#):
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> But who is going to play John Steed?

This was my first thought too! I was a bit disappointed to learn that it was just some silly superhero movie. :o

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**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/9 "2010-04-14T13:06:56Z")

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> [@Odesio](#):
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> Do you know what happens to a toad that watches the Avengers?

The same thing that happens to everyone else…

Lordy, I hope this is good - he’s got a full line-up of scenery chewers and he’s great with dialogue - this could work.

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**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/10 "2010-04-14T13:33:06Z")

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Well, I’m guesing that narrows down the cast of the Scarlett Witch - Go Kaylee!

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**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/11 "2010-04-14T13:34:49Z")

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Hmm. I was going to offer this up as definitive proof that there is, in fact, no god.

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**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/12 "2010-04-14T14:03:35Z")

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Amy Acker would make an amazing Emma Peel. For that matter, Amy Acker would make an amazing _anything_, but still.

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**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/13 "2010-04-14T14:05:53Z")

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> [@buzznet](#):
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> Deadline reports the all-star team of Marvel characters that will be featured in The Avengers include Iron Man (Robert Downey Jr.), Captain America (Chris Evans), Thor (Chris Hemsworth), as well as SHIELD director Nick Fury (Samuel L. Jackson).

Is this movie going to include Ed Norton as the Hulk? (I hope so).

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**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/14 "2010-04-14T14:06:09Z")

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No, no, no – there are a number of “no god” choices: Michael Bay, McG, Barry Sonnenfeld, Renny Harlin… or what if you’d heard that George Lucas decided to do it?

The “no god, no buddha, no justice” option: Joel Schumacher. We’d have nipples on Capt. America and Hawkeye would be played by Jim Carrey.

The world has dodged a bullet here, people.

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**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/15 "2010-04-14T14:11:10Z")

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> [@digs](#):
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> No, no, no – there are a number of “no god” choices: Michael Bay, McG, Barry Sonnenfeld, Renny Harlin… or what if you’d heard that George Lucas decided to do it?

Uwe Boll!

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**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/16 "2010-04-14T14:36:26Z")

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> [@Skammer](#):
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> Is this movie going to include Ed Norton as the Hulk? (I hope so).

If Ed Norton got his way, then yes. But his future as Bruce Banner is all up in the air.

Frankly I don’t know about that Whedon guy, he doesn’t seem to be able to make something that many people actually watch.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/17 "2010-04-14T14:50:42Z")

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> [@GuanoLad](#):
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> Frankly I don’t know about that Whedon guy, he doesn’t seem to be able to make something that many people actually watch.

Heh, right. 😃

Brilliant decision and wise choice for Joss. I actually would not mind if Bruce Banner is played by Ed Norton. The Incredible Hulk movie wasn’t all bad.

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**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/18 "2010-04-14T15:10:47Z")

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On a serious note: What’s the appeal, exactly, of Joss Whedon? I’ve seen exactly two (2) entertainments that he had a hand in that I actually liked. One was **Toy Story** , which I really, really adore (though not so much as the even better **Toy Story 2** ), but which also employed Whedon as one in a team of writers, so I guess you can’t credibly refer to it as a “Joss Whedon movie”. The other is the original **X-Men** , which I like _despite_ Whedon and his contributing one of the most grating dialog clunkers in recent memory (which was referred to up-thread).

As for all the rest? Couldn’t get into either of his most vaunted and personal creations ( **Buffy** and **Firefly** ), I haven’t seen **Dollhouse** or **Dr. Horrible’s Sing Along Blog** , and a actively loathe his single-handed fuck up of **Alien: Resurrection** and his tarnishing, however slightly, the reputation of a good director (Jean-Pierre Jeunet) in the process.

In short, I view him in much the same way as I do Quentin Tarantino, only more so: someone who’s so in love with his “singular”, “creative”, “witty” voice that he has to make each and every one of his characters, no matter their background or what situation they’re in, sound exactly like him. He’s a hack of the lowest order, in other words, and not so very different, in my mind, from the likes of Michael Bay and Brett Ratner.

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**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/19 "2010-04-14T15:17:27Z")

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> [@MTCicero](#):
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> On a serious note: What’s the appeal, exactly, of Joss Whedon? I’ve seen exactly two (2) entertainments that he had a hand in that I actually liked. One was **Toy Story** , which I really, really adore (though not so much as the even better **Toy Story 2** ), but which also employed Whedon as one in a team of writers, so I guess you can’t credibly refer to it as a “Joss Whedon movie”. The other is the original **X-Men** , which I like _despite_ Whedon and his contributing one of the most grating dialog clunkers in recent memory (which was referred to up-thread).

Joss Whedon was not a credited writer on X-Men. So any credit or blame for that movie’s dialogue should solely go to screenwriter David Hayter. The fact that Whedon admits the lightning line is his (and nothing from the rest of the movie) tells you all you need to know about how much he considers X-Men one of his movies.

And Alien Resurrection is 10x the movie that Alien 3 was.

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**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-to-direct-the-avengers-proof-that-god-exists/536009/20 "2010-04-14T15:36:20Z")

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> [@Justin\_Bailey](#):
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> And Alien Resurrection is 10x the movie that Alien 3 was.

On this, we shall have to agree to disagree.

[hijack] My assessment of the **Alien** films: **Alien** - A; **Aliens** - A-; **Alien³** - B-; **Alien: Resurrection** - D- (the gentleman’s F). And I’ve not seen **AvP** , and have no intention of ever doing so. [/hijack]

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