# Joss Whedon's S.H.I.E.L.D. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 29, 2012, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997 "2012-08-29T02:27:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/21 "2012-08-29T14:44:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > They have a quite a few characters to pick from, like “Dum Dum” Dugan, the Contessa, Gabe Jones, Jasper Sitwell, Clay Quartermain, Sharon Carter, Jimmy Woo and quite a few others. “Dum Dum” Dugan and Sharon Carter both appeared in Captain America. I don’t think either will show up because I think Whedon wants both of them in Cap 2. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/22 "2012-08-29T14:51:19Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Dennis Haysbert would probably make a decent TV version of Nick Fury. (I realize that Fury was a white guy for decades but, due to the movies, people now think of him as a black character.) I’ve been away from comic books for decades. Isn’t Fury still white in one Marvel universe and looks like Sam Jackson in the other? > [@Simplicio](#): > > Ending this season actually. She’s probably the most “gettable” of the movie cast (though she wasn’t very good in the movie, IMHO). I beg to differ. Her skin tight pants were the star of the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/23 "2012-08-29T14:55:52Z")
Hmm…maybe Iron Fist & Luke Cage? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/24 "2012-08-29T14:56:39Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > They have a quite a few characters to pick from, like “Dum Dum” Dugan, the Contessa, Gabe Jones, Jasper Sitwell, Clay Quartermain, Sharon Carter, Jimmy Woo and quite a few others. > > “Dum Dum” Dugan and Sharon Carter both appeared in Captain America. Gabe Jones was there, but did Sharon Carter make it? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/25 "2012-08-29T14:57:04Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I’ve been away from comic books for decades. Isn’t Fury still white in one Marvel universe and looks like Sam Jackson in the other? He used to be white in the main Marvel Universe, but he’s turning black now.(Fury had a son with a black woman which has just come to light. Son needed blood transfusion from ol’ One Eye, which transferred the Infinity Formula to him. Dad is retiring, and son is taking over the family business.) ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/26 "2012-08-29T15:02:24Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Gabe Jones was there, but did Sharon Carter make it? She was Cap’s caretaker at the end after he woke up in the present. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/27 "2012-08-29T15:02:35Z")
> [@audit1](#): > > I’m thinking Amy Acker or Felicia Day will show up at some point. I’ll set my TiVo for that. Memo to myself: Buy a TiVo. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/28 "2012-08-29T15:05:02Z")
> [@audit1](#): > > I’m thinking Amy Acker or Felicia Day will show up at some point. Felicia Day as Spider-Woman, and Amy Acker as Squirrel Girl. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/29 "2012-08-29T15:09:26Z")
[The list of S.H.I.E.L.D. agents.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_S.H.I.E.L.D._members) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/30 "2012-08-29T15:17:43Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > She was Cap’s caretaker at the end after he woke up in the present. I just now cued up the ending credits, and she’s identified only as “SHIELD Agent”. (_“Carry the flag shore to shore for America – from Hoboken to Spokane! The star-spangled man with a plan!”_) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/31 "2012-08-29T15:19:08Z")
And the actress already has a hit TV show (bit of a pattern here). ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/32 "2012-08-29T15:20:26Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Seems like anything they do with a TV show budget would seem kinda rinky-dink when people still have the big-budget films fresh in their minds. :dubious: Have you seen any science fiction TV in the past 20 years? Even Doctor Who has effects that are more than adequate to handle anything SHIELD would require, even if they include the Avengers as more than a random cameo. (Heck, the Saxon arc actually included a Helicarrier!) SHIELD would require an only slightly higher effects budget than any other spy series. And that would be mostly spent on the villains. The Marvel universe is a science fiction universe, sure…but it’s one where most of the really out there stuff is the exclusive domain of superheroes and supervillains, or else completely invisible. (Very Human Robots\*, telepathy, and so on.) Even more so the movie verse. And even most of the visible super-stuff isn’t anything that will require major effects - build some fancy-looking armour and gun props for the villain goons. Give someone the ability to fly. Maybe have an invisible villain once. Someone super strong. Someone with lightning/fire/whatever powers. (Or sonic powers! Can’t get easier than that.) Very low-grade stuff. (And you’ll note all of the Avengers have powers that fit into this set, except for Hulk, who was extensive CGI…the effects budget of the movie mostly wasn’t spent on them.) There’ll be some bigger stuff, obviously - have a Helicarrier establishing shot in the premier (unlikely that our lead characters will be based on one, but likely that Fury and his crew will appear in the pilot), and a CGI monster once or twice. But you don’t need to spend big bucks for most of what SHIELD would need. - Has anyone suggested a Life Model Decoy for how Coulson could have survived the movie? ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/33 "2012-08-29T15:21:19Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Felicia Day as Spider-Woman, and Amy Acker as Squirrel Girl. HOLY. Given Whedon’s sense of humor and fanservice…there’s a nonzero theoretical chance Squirrel Girl could actually show up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That makes my nonzero theoretical day. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/34 "2012-08-29T15:23:30Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > There’ll be some bigger stuff, obviously - have a Helicarrier establishing shot in the premier (unlikely that our lead characters will be based on one, but likely that Fury and his crew will appear in the pilot), and a CGI monster once or twice. But you don’t need to spend big bucks for most of what SHIELD would need. Your ignoring my point. > [@me](#): > > Seems like anything they do with a TV show budget would seem kinda rinky-dink **when people still have the big-budget films fresh in their minds**. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/35 "2012-08-29T15:30:41Z")
typoinc: > [@](#): > > there’s a nonzero theoretical chance Squirrel Girl could actually show up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Given the Guardians of the Galaxy movie coming up, perhaps she and Rocket Raccoon can team up as the dynamic rodent duo. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/36 "2012-08-29T15:40:18Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Ending this season actually. She’s probably the most “gettable” of the movie cast (though she wasn’t very good in the movie, IMHO). Eh, Smulders just didn’t have anything to do in the movie. I don’t think she’s the best thing about HIMYM (even though she’s quite lovely), but I’d be willing to give her a chance. > [@silenus](#): > > Knowing Joss I’m betting it’s a field office of regular humans with drop-ins by B-list heroes. It’s not on FOX, which is a plus. Credit where it’s due - Fox does at least take chances. I can’t think of another broadcast network that’s given a fairer shake to scifi/fantasy television. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/37 "2012-08-29T15:40:23Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Your ignoring my point. No, I’m not. You’re obviously ignoring most of my post, though, since I specifically point out that there is almost nothing in the movie that couldn’t be done just as well on a TV budget. Iron Man and Thor have spectacular but cheap powers. Cap, Hawkeye, Black Widow, the entirety of the non-Avengers SHIELD crew have non-spectacular abilities. The Chitauri home dimension is barren, not particularly realistic, and shot through a purple filter. The Chitauri who talks to Loki has pretty basic practical make-up. Until the battle with the Chitauri, the entire movie was the kind of thing that could be done easily on a TV budget - albeit a ‘premier or finale’ budget, due to the Helicarrier shots, and Hulk’s use in the assault on the Helicarrier. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/38 "2012-08-29T15:42:18Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I just now cued up the ending credits, and she’s identified only as “SHIELD Agent”. You’re right. I guess that was just bloggy speculation at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997/39 "2012-08-29T16:53:39Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > You’re right. I guess that was just bloggy speculation at the time. The fact that she looked like a stand-in for ScarJo in IM2 didn’t help with confusion. I just assumed it was supposed to be Black Widow but they didn’t want to tip the ending so hard and actually get Johansen for it. Sharon Carter (grandneice of Peggy in the movie) will definitely play a part in Cap 2. ---
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> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Felicia Day as Spider-Woman, and Amy Acker as Squirrel Girl. I’d like to see Felicia Day as a viscious Hydra agent. Sadly, I have no idea if there’s an established viscious female Hydra agent who would be a good match. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d/632997.md?page=3)