# Joy Behar to Dems: lie to get elected
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [November 7, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103 "2019-11-07T02:12:54Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/1 "2019-11-07T02:12:54Z")
> **[Joy Behar’s advice for 2020 Dems on guns: ‘Wait until you get elected and...](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/4/joy-behars-advice-for-2020-dems-on-guns-wait-until/)**
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> Joy Behar has some advice for Democrats who are running for president: Even if you want to confiscate guns from civilians, don’t tell voters that in advance.
Umm… regardless of what you think of the issue in question, imho that’s pretty damn cynical- and a travesty of democracy. Also I’m reminded of when I asked about this scenario in the abstract, [What elected official most turned out to be a “Trojan Horse”?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=487645)
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### Author:  [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/2 "2019-11-07T02:58:39Z")
I don’t think democratic voters are psychologically like republican voters. The democrats couldn’t lie as baldly and shamelessly as republican politicians do and not expect pushback from their own voters because of it.
Under Obama the most honest and thoughtful criticisms of his administration came from his parties base who disagreed with him on various kinds of policy. The GOP party base is an irrational cult who worship a mentally ill con man. Its not the same thing.
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### Author:  [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/3 "2019-11-07T03:23:47Z")
Washington Times. Such a reliable source.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/4 "2019-11-07T03:25:48Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> Washington Times. Such a reliable source.
Apparently people were laughing when she said it. I’ve heard of this thing called “joke.” Is that what she did? Did she “joke”? Is that why they “laughed”?
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### Author:  [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/5 "2019-11-07T03:30:25Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> Apparently people were laughing when she said it. I’ve heard of this thing called “joke.” Is that what she did? Did she “joke”? Is that why they “laughed”?
Of course! That’s why it’s a joke when Dotard says he’ll shoot someone on fifth Ave. Comedy gold in politics these days.
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/6 "2019-11-07T03:30:27Z")
She’s the fucking host of a teevee show.
Sorry, but only Republican Presidents think that the host of a fucking teevee show is competent to give political advice.
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### Author:  [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/7 "2019-11-07T11:07:15Z")
> [@Lumpy](#):
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> [https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/4/joy-behars-advice-for-2020-dems-on-guns-wait-until/](https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/4/joy-behars-advice-for-2020-dems-on-guns-wait-until/)
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> Umm… regardless of what you think of the issue in question, imho that’s pretty damn cynical- and a travesty of democracy. Also I’m reminded of when I asked about this scenario in the abstract, [What elected official most turned out to be a “Trojan Horse”?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=487645)
How about a quote from the article? Even a short one. Is that really too much? “A travesty of democracy”. Wow, that sounds bad! :eek:
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### Author:  [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/8 "2019-11-07T11:49:00Z")
> [@Lumpy](#):
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> [washingtontimes.com](http://washingtontimes.com) …
Washington Times? Oh my. Start a thread in IMHO if you don’t know which websites provide competent news.
The thread is in “Elections.” What office is Joy Never-heard-of-her running for?
> [@Lumpy](#):
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> … and a travesty of democracy…
We’re surrounded by high Federal officials who have been accused of felonies, and have definitely committed frauds and treasons. But the concern is a minor TV personality who suggests that someone tell a white lie? :smack:
Got it. I guess.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/9 "2019-11-07T11:58:33Z")
> [@Locrian](#):
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> Of course! That’s why it’s a joke when Dotard says he’ll shoot someone on fifth Ave. Comedy gold in politics these days.
…but that IS a joke. A dumb joke, but a joke. What are you getting at?
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### Author:  [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/10 "2019-11-07T13:22:21Z")
Right now the Republican party is becoming increasingly authoritarian and flirting with fascism, all to the cheers of their supporters. One of the greatest dangers to the USA is if the Democrats decide they need to go the same route to compete. So while the joke from the OP is a joke, it also presents one of the real political dangers in the USA right now. That’s why the best thing a Republican supporter could have done in the midterm election, and could do in the election next year, is to vote Democrat or if they find that they cannot do that, then do not vote at all. At the same time, they need to contact the Republican leadership and tell them to knock it off with the proto-fascism stuff. Your vote is the only way to send a message. If the Republican party gets crushed in an election, then they’ll reform themselves. But why should they reform when they’re winning elections? Why not continue down the road to authoritarianism when their [del]suckers[/del] supporters are going to cheer them all the while.
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### Author:  [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/11 "2019-11-07T15:42:50Z")
> [@Locrian](#):
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> Of course! That’s why it’s a joke when Dotard says he’ll shoot someone on fifth Ave. Comedy gold in politics these days.
You _do_ realize that Behar is a comedian, right?
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/12 "2019-11-07T15:50:41Z")
Democrats already [lie](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-yeah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605) - this is hardly something [new](https://amac.us/ocasio-cortezs-chief-of-staff-admits-what-the-green-new-deal-is-really-about-and-its-not-the-climate/) that Behar just thought up.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/13 "2019-11-07T16:01:06Z")
> [@Shodan](#):
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> Democrats already [lie](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-yeah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605) …
Cite that he is a Democrat?
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### Author:  [@rock\_party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rock_party)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/14 "2019-11-07T16:11:24Z")
Republicans have an entire machine in place to deliver their lies. Fox of course, but three of my towns talk radio stations are all Republican lies and bullshit 24 hours a day. Then factor in the seven religious channels which are shills for the right and they even put God’s will behind their bullshit. The left really doesn’t have such a misinformation machine out there that cranks out lies and deception on a non stop basis.
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### Author:  [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/15 "2019-11-07T16:44:16Z")
> [@bobot](#):
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> How about a quote from the article? Even a short one. Is that really too much? “A travesty of democracy”. Wow, that sounds bad! :eek:
Here is the money quote.
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> “If you are going to take people’s guns away, wait until you get elected and then take them away,” Ms. Behar said to laughs and clapping from the studio audience. “Don’t tell them ahead of time.”
That isn’t even advocating that Democrats lie, just that they be politically savvy about broadcasting potentially unpopular views.
Equating this with Republicans bald faced repeated lies is a bit of a farce. Did Trump campaign on separating children from their families and leaving California to burn? I don’t recall it.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/16 "2019-11-07T16:44:44Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#):
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> I don’t think democratic voters are psychologically like republican voters. The democrats couldn’t lie as baldly and shamelessly as republican politicians do and not expect pushback from their own voters because of it.
I agree. Voters who like being lied to already have a party they can vote for. The Democrats shouldn’t try to compete for those voters. Democrats should stick with the voters who can handle the truth.
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### Author:  [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/17 "2019-11-07T17:07:58Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#):
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> Here is the money quote.
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> That isn’t even advocating that Democrats lie, just that they be politically savvy about broadcasting potentially unpopular views.
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> Equating this with Republicans bald faced repeated lies is a bit of a farce. Did Trump campaign on separating children from their families and leaving California to burn? I don’t recall it.
Correct. He ran on the lies of building a huge wall on the border (that another country would pay us to build! Ha!), and replacing Obamacare with something better and cheaper.
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### Author:  [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/18 "2019-11-07T19:20:04Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#):
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> Here is the money quote.
> That isn’t even advocating that Democrats lie, just that they be politically savvy about broadcasting potentially unpopular views.
> Equating this with Republicans bald faced repeated lies is a bit of a farce. Did Trump campaign on separating children from their families and leaving California to burn? I don’t recall it.
It’s an actual lie hiding behind a joke about lying.
The real lie is perpetuating the fiction that Dems want to take away people’s guns. Yes, Beto said that, but he’s out of the race. The GOP spread the same shit about Obama, and how many guns were confiscated from law-abiding citizens during his eight years in office? (Hint: it rhymes with “hero.”)
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### Author:  [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/19 "2019-11-07T19:30:23Z")
> [@Akaj](#):
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> It’s an actual lie hiding behind a joke about lying.
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> The real lie is perpetuating the fiction that Dems want to take away people’s guns. Yes, Beto said that, but he’s out of the race. The GOP spread the same shit about Obama, and how many guns were confiscated from law-abiding citizens during his eight years in office? (Hint: it rhymes with “hero.”)
Missed the edit window – I should have said, how many \*\*non-prohibited \*\*guns were confiscated from law-abiding citizens during his eight years in office? I’m sure some patriot somewhere was busted with a rocket launcher or some such.
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### Author:  [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)
#### Post date: [November 7, 2019, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/joy-behar-to-dems-lie-to-get-elected/843103/20 "2019-11-07T22:32:47Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
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> Washington Times. Such a reliable source.
Are you claiming that wasn’t said on an episode of The View?
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> Apparently people were laughing when she said it. I’ve heard of this thing called “joke.” Is that what she did? Did she “joke”? Is that why they “laughed”?
Yeah, abso-fuckin-lutely hilarious.
> [@Locrian](#):
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> Of course! That’s why it’s a joke when Dotard says he’ll shoot someone on fifth Ave. Comedy gold in politics these days.
Maybe someone should “joke” about how not only should abortion be illegal, but that women who illegally abort should be put to death as murderers. **J.K.!!!**
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> She’s the fucking host of a teevee show.
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> Sorry, but only Republican Presidents think that the host of a fucking teevee show is competent to give political advice.
You would _hope_ so…
> [@septimus](#):
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> Washington Times? Oh my. Start a thread in IMHO if you don’t know which websites provide competent news.
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> The thread is in “Elections.” What office is Joy Never-heard-of-her running for?
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> We’re surrounded by high Federal officials who have been accused of felonies, and have definitely committed frauds and treasons. But the concern is a minor TV personality who suggests that someone tell a white lie? :smack:
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> Got it. I guess.
Try a filthy, black, necrotic gangrenous lie.
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